37818
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I cannot make you hear what does not make sense to you.
What prior to creation do understand the roles of the three Persons are? From the Bible what do you understand their roles to be to define them as distinct Persons?
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What prior to creation do understand the roles of the three Persons are? From the Bible what do you understand their roles to be to define them as distinct Persons?
Lodic
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There is a distinction in the work done by each Member of the Trinity. There are differing activities assumed by each Person. The Father initiates creation and redemption; the Son redeems the creation; and the Holy Spirit sanctifies, applying redemption to believers. Genesis 1:26 shows that all were present in the Creation - "Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness".
37818
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The Son is the sole Creator on behalf of God the Father. Colossians 1:16-17. All things not all other things.
Lodic
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"By Him" doesn't necessarily mean ONLY by Him, especially when so many Scriptures say God (the Father) created everything.
This is hardly a major doctrine, and I am content to agree to disagree.
37818
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Not a single Scripture says the Father created. Unless you deny the Son is the LORD God in the OT as the Creator.
It clearly doesn't support your addition to scripture, 'sole creator'. John 1:1 refutes that. Genesis 1:1 refutes it. ELOHIM IS PLURAL.
Lodic
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Isaiah 44:24, which I referred to earlier. No true Christian can deny that Jesus is God, but you are stuck on trying to prove Jesus alone created everything. I disagree, and will leave you with your view.
37818
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No it does not. Read Ephesians 3:9, where it says, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ." Not some but all. John 1:3, ". . . without him was not any thing made . . . ." They also are not two Gods but the One and the same God.
37818
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On behalf of the Father. They are God. Not without each other. Because they are God.
You are reading something into this that IS NOT there. No where is it even implied that Jesus Christ was the 'sole creator'. It says He was involved in the creation of ALL THINGS, not that He was the 'sole creator'.
37818
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What?
On behalf of God the Father. What did God create without the Son? And why the Son? How is the Son different for which He is the Son? He was not caused because the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the one LORD God, Deuteronomy 6:4 and God singular Isaiah 43:10.
37818
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They are three distinct Persons. One God, Isaiah 43:10.
Are you dense? Alzheimer's? What is it that we have been discussing?
Read the next sentence and take a guess, 'what':
37818
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I have been pressing home the point that God created all things through His Son. Effectively His Son being sole Creator on behalf of God as God. Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 44:6, Revelation 1:17-18.
37818
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John 1:3, ". . . All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."