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Communion: does it matter if ......

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  • Only Wine

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Grape Juice is fine

    Votes: 10 71.4%

  • Only Unleavened Bread

    Votes: 8 57.1%

  • Leavened Bread is fine

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • Total voters
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unprofitable

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How could a charge of being a winebibber/drunkard be brought if Christ was drinking grape juice? You have a incorrect correlation in saying that Christ said he came drinking grape juice. Against drinking grape juice they would have no charge thus that drinking grape juice cannot be the point of the conversation.

I did not say that people did not drink grape juice in the scriptures.

I did say that according to the evidence given you, when the bible says wine, it is wine.
 
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Forever Settled

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unprofitable said:
Your accusation that I believe that Christ had a devil is a very strong unjustified charge. This is the same as calling me a fool.
The scriptures say in Mt 5:22 ..."whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." I have seen this before. People resort to personal attacks when their arguments start to fall apart. I have prayed that the Lord forgive you for your apparent ignorance of Mt 5:22.
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You believed their charge that he was a drunk.....I wanted to know if you believed the other two charges gluttony and devil possession.

Why notreject all three I do .....why are you believing them.

May the Lord forgive YOU for believing and spreading gossip about him .
 
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Forever Settled

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. How could a charge of being a winebibber/drunkard be brought if Christ was drinking grape juice? You have a incorrect correlation in saying that Christ said he came drinking grape juice. Against drinking grape juice they would have no charge thus that drinking grape juice cannot be the point of the conversation.
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Did they give him a breathilizer or blood test to determine he was a drunk ?

Or did they just tell wicked lies ? They had No clue concerning alcohol consumption.
 
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Forever Settled

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. I did say that according to the evidence given you, when the bible says wine, it is wine.
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Don’t know what you mean.

Oh did you EVER find where the word Wine was used to identify the element of the Lords table .......thats very important.
 
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unprofitable

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I used Hosea 4:11 because it is in response to something I believe you posted (I can't seem to currently find it). If it was someone else and not you, I apologize). The author seemed to believe that yayin and tirosh we not alcoholic. Hosea 4:11 proves otherwise.
 
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unprofitable

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The wedding feast and the teaching of communion cannot be separated in that Christ reveals in the wedding feast what is in the cup at the Lord's supper. When he tells Mary his time is not yet come he is not only prophesying about His crucifixion, but also the institution of the Lord's supper, an ordinance of the new covenant. Communion cannot be observed apart from the covenant to which it is taught/given.
 
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Forever Settled

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unprofitable said:
The wedding feast and the teaching of communion cannot be separated in that Christ reveals in the wedding feast what is in the cup at the Lord's supper. When he tells Mary his time is not yet come he is not only prophesying about His crucifixion, but also the institution of the Lord's supper, an ordinance of the new covenant. Communion cannot be observed apart from the covenant to which it is taught/given.
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Hello.......Did You find the word WINE used to identify the element used in the Lord’s Supper ?

That is very important ! How is the element identified ?
 
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Forever Settled

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unprofitable said:
The wedding feast and the teaching of communion cannot be separated in that Christ reveals in the wedding feast what is in the cup at the Lord's supper.
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That is simply NOT true one was called FRUIT OF THE VINE......the other was called WINE .

If you used the proper element at the Lords table ....like the scripture teaches.....there is no wine issue for you to concern yourself with .
 
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unprofitable

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I do NOT believe that Christ was ever drunk so I know they told lies as I have previously pointed out. Nor do I believe that any of the brethren should become drunken. The righteous neighbor knows he is his brother's keeper and even during the wedding feast, they did everything possible to prevent a guest from becoming drunken. The charge of being a drunkard was a charge that could end in the execution of the offender. If a member at our church were to begin to have problems with alcohol and to bring a reproach upon the church, the body of Christ, we would attempt to reason with the member according to the pattern of discipline outline in Mt 18, and if they refused to hear, then exclude them and hope that the Lord would give them repentance and be restored. I tell you this so you can know how very seriously we take the matter of alcohol. I personally have not had a dring in over 30 years. Your suggestion sees to indicate that we are teaching lawlessness could not be further from the truth.
 
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Forever Settled

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unprofitable said:
I do NOT believe that Christ was ever drunk so I know they told lies as I have previously pointed out. Nor do I believe that any of the brethren should become drunken. The righteous neighbor knows he is his brother's keeper and even during the wedding feast, they did everything possible to prevent a guest from becoming drunken. The charge of being a drunkard was a charge that could end in the execution of the offender. If a member at our church were to begin to have problems with alcohol and to bring a reproach upon the church, the body of Christ, we would attempt to reason with the member according to the pattern of discipline outline in Mt 18, and if they refused to hear, then exclude them and hope that the Lord would give them repentance and be restored. I tell you this so you can know how very seriously we take the matter of alcohol. I personally have not had a dring in over 30 years. Your suggestion sees to indicate that we are teaching lawlessness could not be further from the truth.
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Communion: does it matter if ......
 
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unprofitable

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The element of the cup has already been show to you by the example of the wedding feast. What makes you think that the fruit of the vine cannot be wine? EVERYTHING in one way or the other teaches the new covenant. It was what both He and John Baptist came preaching so Christ uses the wedding feast to teach the same. Christ says in Jn 15:15, '''ALL things I have heard (concerning the kingdom of God/ the new covenant) of my Father, I HAVE made known unto you." He was zealous that his disciples know the truth concerning the kingdom/new covenant. Salvation cannot be taught apart from the covenant and the two covenants are taught in the teachings of the wedding feast. Again, they clearly cannot be separated and since it was wine at the wedding feast it was wine at the Lord's supper.. Again, Christ teaches in Mt 6:33 ."But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness." There then must be an example of the kingdom of God and his righteousness in the wedding feast. Christ never did anything without a purpose, Kingdoms always have a covenant or as we might say at this present time, a constitution. In seeking the kingdom and his righteousness we seek it in the teachings of the new covenant, which is contained in part by the teachings of the wedding feast.
 
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unprofitable

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If you go back and read previous posts, you will see that Biblicist as already answered the question of the fruit of the vine. The mixing of 3 parts water and 1 part wine was/is called the fruit of the vine.
 
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unprofitable

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You pervert whether by intention or ignorance what I am saying. Show me where I said anyone was directed to the wedding feast. Go back and READ SLOWLY what I wrote in regard to the wedding feast. Your saying, no it does not, is weak in scriptural defense and understanding.
 
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Forever Settled

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unprofitable said:
You pervert whether by intention or ignorance what I am saying. Show me where I said anyone was directed to the wedding feast. Go back and READ SLOWLY what I wrote in regard to the wedding feast. Your saying, no it does not, is weak in scriptural defense and understanding.
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Just show where the wedding was used to teach sinners about the New covenant.......it’s your idea show it in scripture.
 
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