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Squire Robertsson

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The first clip rebuts the claims that the Carcano carbine was a substandard weapon. It also gives some reason as to why those seeking to reenact "Oswald's shot" failed. If need be I'll go back and give the relevant time stamp. But, it seems the Italians used a proprietary bullet length in their loading. Ian does a deep dive early in the video on that point.
The second clip shows the Cacarno is a good as if not a hair better than the German K98k. Ian and Karl are shooting them on a timed course of fire. Ian obtained the proper ammunition to shoot the course. He shows the Cacarno is a capable and reliable weapon.

Here's a deep dive into the Carcano: M38 TS Carcano Carbine: Brilliant or Rubbish?
thanks to Forgotten Weapons.com
And here is a "field test": 2g-ACM K98k vs 7.35 Carcano - STAGE 1 - Medium Range Speed Drills
thanks to FW's sister channel In RangeTV
 

Adonia

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The first clip rebuts the claims that the Carcano carbine was a substandard weapon. It also gives some reason as to why those seeking to reenact "Oswald's shot" failed. If need be I'll go back and give the relevant time stamp. But, it seems the Italians used a proprietary bullet length in their loading. Ian does a deep dive early in the video on that point.
The second clip shows the Cacarno is a good as if not a hair better than the German K98k. Ian and Karl are shooting them on a timed course of fire. Ian obtained the proper ammunition to shoot the course. He shows the Cacarno is a capable and reliable weapon.
The first clip rebuts the claims that the Carcano carbine was a substandard weapon. It also gives some reason as to why those seeking to reenact "Oswald's shot" failed. If need be I'll go back and give the relevant time stamp. But, it seems the Italians used a proprietary bullet length in their loading. Ian does a deep dive early in the video on that point.
The second clip shows the Cacarno is a good as if not a hair better than the German K98k. Ian and Karl are shooting them on a timed course of fire. Ian obtained the proper ammunition to shoot the course. He shows the Cacarno is a capable and reliable weapon.

Let's not get carried away with praising this particular rifle, especially when it comes to comparing it to Mauser rifles. While it might be able to send a bullet downrange, of all the nations in the world who fielded armies during the time period only one other nation, Finland, used this rifle officially in any capacity.

As reported in Wikipedia, "approximately 94,500 7.35mm Modello 1938 rifles were shipped to Finland, where they were known as Terni carbines. They were primarily used by security and line-of-communications troops during the Winter War of 1939–1940, though some frontline troops were issued the weapon. According to reports, the Finns disliked the rifle. With its non-standard 7.35 mm caliber, it was problematic to keep frontline troops supplied with ammunition, and its non-adjustable rear sight (fixed for 300 m) made it ill-suited for use in precision shooting at the varied ranges encountered by Finnish soldiers during the conflict. Soldiers also complained that the ammunition demonstrated excessive bullet dispersion on the target. Whenever possible, Finnish soldiers discarded the weapon in favor of rifles acquired on the battlefield".

The Mauser however has long been noted as one of the world's premier bolt-action rifles. Adopted by many nations, the Mauser design is strong and reliable, with many of them producing their own versions based on that superior platform. Surely you jest with proclaiming that the Carcano action: "is as good if not a hair better" than the German K98 K. Yeah, right.

Even after WWII, the Italians themselves abandonded the Carcano in favor of the Lee-Enfield. The only place the Carcano ended up was on the surplus market at a rock bottom price.
 
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Squire Robertsson

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Adonia, did you watch either of the clips? In the first, Ian explains why the Italians didn't field the Cacarno Carbine. It wasn't that the weapon was deficient. What happened was a matter of change in caliber. The war heated up faster than the Italian armaments people thought it would. In the second, you can judge for yourself which was which.
 

Adonia

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Adonia, did you watch either of the clips? In the first, Ian explains why the Italians didn't field the Cacarno Carbine. It wasn't that the weapon was deficient. What happened was a matter of change in caliber. The war heated up faster than the Italian armaments people thought it would. In the second, you can judge for yourself which was which.

I understand what happened with the change of caliber. According to the Finns who used the weapon in what I reported earlier, the gun was not up to par for military use. What got me was the statement that the Carcano: "is a good if not a hair better than the German K98K". The fact is, no nation in the world ever cloned the Carcano action, and besides the Finns, ever bought Carcanos from the Italians to equip their armed forces and that should tell you something right there.

I sincerely doubt that the Carcano is even in the top five or ten list of anyone who has ever written down a grouping of the best bolt action military rifles ever produced. For some reason, Ian seems to be a Carcano afficianado and I wonder what he did to his particular specimen to get such an outcome against the venerable K98 Mauser. Am I skeptic? You bet.
 
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Squire Robertsson

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Nothing as far as I know. It's the same weapon shown in the Forgotten Weapons video. So, it's a Finnish issued weapon and as I noted he had the proper ammunition to shoot the course of fire. I would hazard the reasons the Carcano dead ended were:
  • it came at the end of the bolt action era.
  • it wasn't produced in the quantities the Mauser was.
The same could be said of the French LeBel, Berthier, or M39. None of which were sold to militaries outside of the French colonial holdings.
For some reason, Ian seems to be a Carcano aficionado and I wonder what he did to his particular specimen to get such an outcome against the venerable K98 Mauser.
 

Squire Robertsson

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One change was made by the Finns to their Carcanos. They swapped out the front sight for a 150 meter zero. But, that would not have affected Oswald's weapon as his had IIRC a scope.
As for WW2 weapons accuracy, Ian and Mike do a deep dive
between the 31:29 mark and the 54:30 mark into WW2 bolt action accuracy.
 

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Is it true that the documents have revealed that LBJ was a KKK member?

He's a known racist, so it wouldn't surprise me.
 

Adonia

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Is it true that the documents have revealed that LBJ was a KKK member?

He's a known racist, so it wouldn't surprise me.

And corrupt. He had so many dead people voting for him it wasn't even funny. One of the worst things that he was involved in was the awarding to him of the Silver Star for him taking a plane ride "near" a Japanese held island in WW2. This was particularly egregious.
 
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