Conspiracy theorists rejoice: JFK files soon to be released.

[Alcott]

And the "facts" that are presented by the "lone gunman theory" supporters are very suspect indeed.

You've probably seen this before-- a section of Beyond Conspiracy-- which deals with the lone gunman conclusion, as well as the psychological need to believe there had to be more to it. But as I've already said, you will deny anything that does not tickle your ear about how you interpret what you perceive according to your dependency on what you must believe.

Do you watch Finding Bigfoot?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Carlos Hathcock, do you know who he was?

Sure. Do you have evidence of his attempt(s) from something other than conspiracy books?

Either that is a lie, or the FBI's failed attempt's was a lie, or the CBS attempts were a lie.

The problem with your assertion is that there have been a number of people who have duplicated the feat. YouTube is full of such videos.

Funny, it seems no one could re-create every single time in a leisurely manner what Oswald was supposed to have done at showtime in Dallas.

That's the first time I have heard it described as "leisurely." Who is making the claim that Oswald did it in a leisurely manner? It would take quite a bit of focus and familiarity with the action of the rifle, as well as some physical support (just like Oswald used the book cartons to steady the rifle).

I'm sorry, but I still maintain that Oswald as the lone assassin has not reached that standard. Still clinging to him as the lone assassin?

You promised us earlier that you were not willing to change your mind, so it comes as no surprise that you are keeping your promise. I believe Oswald was the lone assassin, but I don't have to "cling" to my views because I am willing to consider evidence fairly. If the confidential documents actually do get released and there is evidence that there was more than one gunman, I will consider it carefully and accommodate my views to reflect reality. I suspect that there will be conspiracists who will gladly cling to their pet theories even if Oswald was raised from the dead and told everyone he did it.

 

[Yeshua1]

Correct! Oswald did not have sniper training...but he qualified as a rifleman.

Irregardless, someone shot JFK and I’m curious to see how it really went down.

By a hit man hired by Jackie o, due to her husband dealings with Marilyn Monroe!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

By a hit man hired by Jackie o, due to her husband dealings with Marilyn Monroe!

Naaaa. Not enemy close.

 

[carpro]

In a court of law the standard for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt". I'm sorry, but I still maintain that Oswald as the lone assassin has not reached that standard. Still clinging to him as the lone assassin?

Until someone proves different.

Theories, questions and doubts don't cut it. I have doubts , as well, but without proof...

How can it be proved? Simple. Produce the other shooter.

 

[Alcott]

If Oswald had lived to be tried, the court would not judge if he were the LONE assassin; just if he were guilty,

If I recall correctly, that TV movie, The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, ended right before the verdict was announced. The audience is left to determine its own 'verdict.' My interest in that movie is not it's speculative content, but just seeing the product, as it was filmed in my town. My dad made $25/day for letting them take his '63 Ford pickup and park it around the town square as a prop (it was filmed in 1977). And I saw Lorne Greene as I was strolling by one morning as he was in the makeup chair.

 

[777]

Yeah, that sounds about right, the absence of proof and all. Sure that LHO was a shooter at least, and the CIA, KGB or Castro could have been behind it, Oswald had contact with all three.

Ruby, not so sure of, he could have had perfect timing but it's just as likely somebody tipped him off about the time and place. I think the CIA and the FBI were tracking Oswald and lost him and that's why these records have been sealed for decades.

Oswald certainly killed that cop Tippet, and shot at Edwin Walker. maybe these files will shed more light on the rest. This is Trump slapping the Deep State again.

 

[TCassidy]

Ruby smells like a CIA hit to me. A man dying of cancer with nothing to lose makes the perfect public assassin.

 

[carpro]

This is Trump slapping the Deep State again.

Hmmmm...Never thought of it that way.

Maybe so.

 

[Adonia]

That's the first time I have heard it described as "leisurely." Who is making the claim that Oswald did it in a leisurely manner? It would take quite a bit of focus and familiarity with the action of the rifle, as well as some physical support (just like Oswald used the book cartons to steady the rifle).

You misunderstood what I said. It was those other marksmen (real marksmen) who were able to attempt Oswald's feat in a leisurely manner and couldn't do it, while Oswald was able to accomplish the difficult shot with the substandard rife the first time he tried it. That is what I meant.

The problem with your assertion is that there have been a number of people who have duplicated the feat. YouTube is full of such videos.

I missed the one's you are talking about, but I did not miss reading where it was reported that the Warren Commission's sharpshooters had trouble doing it; that the FBI sharpshooters likewise had trouble doing it; as did the NRA marksman and the CBS documentary shooters attempt. I saw Jesse Ventura tried to do within the allotted time and he could not work the bolt fast enough either.

 

[Adonia]

If Oswald had lived to be tried, the court would not judge if he were the LONE assassin; just if he were guilty,

If I recall correctly, that TV movie, The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, ended right before the verdict was announced. The audience is left to determine its own 'verdict.' My interest in that movie is not it's speculative content, but just seeing the product, as it was filmed in my town. My dad made $25/day for letting them take his '63 Ford pickup and park it around the town square as a prop (it was filmed in 1977). And I saw Lorne Greene as I was strolling by one morning as he was in the makeup chair.

The killing of Oswald was Godsend to the government. I doubt that they would have been able to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt given a jury that would have been able to judge him fairly.

 

[Adonia]

Until someone proves different.

Theories, questions and doubts don't cut it. I have doubts , as well, but without proof...

How can it be proved? Simple. Produce the other shooter.

The other shooter need not be produced. O J Simpson was acquitted and I haven't heard that anyone else has been arrested and tried for the murders of his wife and her friend. All that needs to be done is to get the jury to believe that the government has not proved it's case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's the end of it.

But really, those that initiated the killing of Kennedy were not going to take any chances and Oswald had to be eliminated at all costs - and he was. Imagine, the guy was actually gunned down at the Dallas Police Headquarters of all places. Now that's what I call having the power to get what you want done accomplished. And people claim there was no conspiracy? Yeah right.

 

[carpro]

The other shooter need not be produced..

Then you have to have rock solid irrefutable proof. I don't see that happening without the shooter.

It will never be more than a theory or personal opinion, otherwise.

There will be no jury. Ever. And the only court will be the court of public opinion.

 

[Adonia]

Then you have to have rock solid irrefutable proof. I don't see that happening without the shooter.

It will never be more than a theory or personal opinion, otherwise.

There will be no jury. Ever. And the only court will be the court of public opinion.

I think one of the shooters was James Files, he was the guy behind the fence with the XP-100. His story is very compelling - did you ever hear it?

 

[carpro]

I think one of the shooters was James Files, he was the guy behind the fence with the XP-100. His story is very compelling - did you ever hear it?

Nope. All he has to do is surrender himself to authorities, confess and make them believe his confession.

Otherwise , no soap.

 

[Adonia]

Nope. All he has to do is surrender himself to authorities, confess and make them believe his confession.

Otherwise , no soap.

The government knows all about him - he is in jail in Ohio. The JFK case is a closed done deal - the real killers got away with it and that is that - aided and abetted by those in power at that time, people like Gerald Ford, Arlen Spector, LBJ, Earl Warren, and others - the lot of them. Do you think Hillary, James Comey, Obama, and Holder will ever be brought to justice for their crimes? Don't hold your breath.

 

[carpro]

The government knows all about him - he is in jail in Ohio. .

Then you have nothing. Just another theory.

 

[Alcott]

The other shooter need not be produced. O J Simpson was acquitted and I haven't heard that anyone else has been arrested and tried for the murders of his wife and her friend. All that needs to be done is to get the jury to believe that the government has not proved it's case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's the end of it.

That's an excellent point. Even if Oswald had gone to trial and been found not guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, that is not proof of anyone else having done it. And, as the OJS trial showed, skilled defense lawyers can insert that doubt. And one of the best ways to get the accused off is to get the prosecution to underestimate them. If you want my opinion-- or if you don't, I'll still give it-- I think OJ Simpson is guilty and that LH Oswald is guilty. In neither case does that necessarily say they had no accomplice or they weren't coerced or tricked into their crimes or their actions suggesting it.

But really, those that initiated the killing of Kennedy were not going to take any chances and Oswald had to be eliminated at all costs - and he was. Imagine, the guy was actually gunned down at the Dallas Police Headquarters of all places. Now that's what I call having the power to get what you want done accomplished. And people claim there was no conspiracy? Yeah right.

If Oswald "had to be eliminated at all costs," how then is it that Ruby didn't have to be eliminated at all costs? If they-- "those that initiated the killing of Kennedy--" were afraid Oswald would talk because he knew what had happened, the same would be true for Ruby. And for whoever took Ruby out. [Ruby lived 3 years in prison and died of lung cancer.] As for Ruby having access to the Dallas police basement, he was well-known to have reciprocated with the Dallas police-- he arranged liquor, hookers, et al, for them and they largely left him alone to run his strip clubs, in which he was high-tempered and physically threw undesirable patrons out, while taking care of his 'girls.' Is he the only such entrepreneur in vices who had such police acquaintance? And considering, for the day, that you could walk into an airport boarding area with no patdown, xray, or even questions, it wouldn't be that hard to take a gun almost anywhere, especially if you had reciprocating acquaintances.

 

[Adonia]

That's an excellent point. Even if Oswald had gone to trial and been found not guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, that is not proof of anyone else having done it. And, as the OJS trial showed, skilled defense lawyers can insert that doubt. And one of the best ways to get the accused off is to get the prosecution to underestimate them. If you want my opinion-- or if you don't, I'll still give it-- I think OJ Simpson is guilty and that LH Oswald is guilty. In neither case does that necessarily say they had no accomplice or they weren't coerced or tricked into their crimes or their actions suggesting it.




If Oswald "had to be eliminated at all costs," how then is it that Ruby didn't have to be eliminated at all costs? If they-- "those that initiated the killing of Kennedy--" were afraid Oswald would talk because he knew what had happened, the same would be true for Ruby. And for whoever took Ruby out. [Ruby lived 3 years in prison and died of lung cancer.] As for Ruby having access to the Dallas police basement, he was well-known to have reciprocated with the Dallas police-- he arranged liquor, hookers, et al, for them and they largely left him alone to run his strip clubs, in which he was high-tempered and physically threw undesirable patrons out, while taking care of his 'girls.' Is he the only such entrepreneur in vices who had such police acquaintance? And considering, for the day, that you could walk into an airport boarding area with no patdown, xray, or even questions, it wouldn't be that hard to take a gun almost anywhere, especially if you had reciprocating acquaintances.

A pretty good rebuttal all the way around, but I still think Oswald was the patsy. As for Ruby not being taken out, you can't kill everyone who was involved. Some are more trustworthy than others and are looked at differently within an organization. Ruby was not going to sing to high heaven like they thought Oswald would. He (Oswald) was the dummy, the lowest person on the totem pole. He was coerced into being where he was as the bait for the authorities.

That brings up another question, how did the police get on to him so fast? What was it, two hours or less before he was in custody? Seems like someone might have dropped a dime on him so he would get all the attention while the real killers had plenty of time to get away. Man, those guys took everything into account - they were real pro's!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeah, that sounds about right, the absence of proof and all. Sure that LHO was a shooter at least, and the CIA, KGB or Castro could have been behind it, Oswald had contact with all three.

Ruby, not so sure of, he could have had perfect timing but it's just as likely somebody tipped him off about the time and place. I think the CIA and the FBI were tracking Oswald and lost him and that's why these records have been sealed for decades.

Oswald certainly killed that cop Tippet, and shot at Edwin Walker. maybe these files will shed more light on the rest. This is Trump slapping the Deep State again.

I think that he was the Lone Gunman, but did NOT act alone, as there were "higher powers" who were behind all of this.