Continued - Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement.

[Agent47]

If you are talking about ALL of Palestine, yes. But Palestine was larger than just the area that would be state of Israel. In the area that would become Israel, the number of Arabs was lower. Palestine was a region than just area that would become Israel. In that area, the numbers of Arabs are closer to the number I gave.

I would also add that your UN document shows a healthy increase in Arab population from over 486,000 in 1922 to over 1 Million by 1946. Yet you maintain that the Jews during this same period were committing genocide on the Arab population. Even the documents you provide debunk that claim that you continue make over and over. It is possible to have a population increase like that if your population is the victim of genocide. Genocide lowers populations; it doesn't make them grow.

What that chart shows is that the land was considered Palestinian land, but land that was part of the British mandate to distributed to each group.

It is important to remember that when Britain was given the mandate to make Palestine a Jewish homeland by the League of Nations, "Palestine" was a huge area owned by the Turks until after WW1. It included the country we now call Jordan. Jordan was created when the British gave 3/4 of the Mandate to the Arabs and they created Trans-Jordan and gave the remaining 25% to the Jews. That 25% was then "Palestine." That last remaining area was divided up by the UN to be a Jewish state and yet another Arab state.



Wrong. It was not unilateral. The UN passed resolution 181 and the state of Israel was recognized by the world community, except for the Arab nations who voted against it. It was the 2nd time that the Arabs rejected a two-state solution.

And the Arabs rejected it. They stopped the creation of an Arab nation called Palestine.



The Arabs have every excuse they can think of to reject the two state solution. The truth is that they oppose the existence of Israel. If Israel had been given only 1% of the land, they would have still opposed it. It has nothing to do with the 55% vs. 45% ratio. It would not have mattered what the ratio was.

Do you also understand why 700,000 Arabs had to be kicked out of Palestine to never be admitted back after the war?

SNIP

UN made resolution 181 which was a recommendation that had to be accepted by both Jews and Arabs.

Zionists on May UNILATERALLY declared the state of Israel 5 months later.

Besides, the partition proposal would have Jerusalem remain a separate entity administered by the UN. You know too well that is not the case. So stop pretending that Israel is a legitimate state. It's not.

I know you have never seen the proposed boundaries of the partition plan so I shared the map. Does it look like Israel honored the Resolution 181?

 

[Agent47]

Another troll post.

Spam

 

[GoodTidings]

Both sides agreed to a two state solution in 1993.

In 1993 Israel, led by Rabin’s foreign minister Shimon Peres, held a series of negotiations with the PLO in Oslo, Norway. In early September Yasser Arafat sent a letter to Rabin saying that the PLO recognized Israel’s right to exist, accepted UN Resolutions 242 and 338 (which called for lasting peace with Israel in exchange for Israel’s withdrawal to its pre-1967 borders), and renounced terrorism and violence. Days later they signed a Declaration of Principles (known as the Oslo Accords), agreeing to set up Palestinian self-government over five years’ time in exchange for Palestinian partnership in matters of Israeli security. The most contentious issues (including Jerusalem, final borders and Jewish settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and the return of Palestinian refugees) were set to be discussed after that five-year period.

Ah yes, Wikipedia, the most unreliable source for information on the Internet. Wikipedia completely misrepresents what 242 and 338 actually refer to.

Resolution 338 is not about lasting peace. It was a call for a ceasefire in the Yom Kippur War. Israel had routed the Egyptians and Syrians and when Israel had driven Egyptian and Syria forces with in just 30-40 Kilometers of their respective capitals, the UN called for a ceasefire.

Resolution 242 was rejected by the Arabs. And was never lived up to after the Oslo Accords by the Palestinians. Resolution 242 did not require Israel to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders, nor did Resolution 338. Your plagiarized source totally mispresents both of those Resolutions.

The Oslo Accord was not the two-state solution. And the Palestinians violated the agreement very quickly after it was signed, and that led to a lot of murdered Jews, some 2000 Jews paid for Rabin's error even after Rabin was assassinated. Oslo was dead within a year after Arafat signed it. He never intended to live up to his end of the deal. What Rabin essentially did was reward terrorism. To the Palestinians, Oslo was an indication that terrorism works and given enough time, terrorism will make your enemies capitulate and so the Palestinian Authority's answer to Israel's concessions was more terror. More terror, in their eyes, will lead to more concessions.

After the Palestinians were granted self-governance, they took over Bethlehem and many Christians paid the price and had their property confiscated and had to leave Bethlehem. Many fled to Jerusalem.

In 2000, Yasir Arafat, at Camp David, rejected Ehud Barak's offer that amounted to an initial 93% of what Arafat demanded and he walked away from it. The remaining 7% was to ceded to PA as they proved that they had given up terrorism against Israel. Even Bill Clinton was completely flabbergasted at Arafat's complete dismissal. They could have had a two-state situation in 2000, but as always, the Arabs and Arafat rejected the offer.

 

[GoodTidings]

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UN made resolution 181 which was a recommendation that had to be accepted by both Jews and Arabs.

Zionists on May UNILATERALLY declared the state of Israel 5 months later.

Besides, the partition proposal would have Jerusalem remain a separate entity administered by the UN. You know too well that is not the case. So stop pretending that Israel is a legitimate state. It's not.

I know you have never seen the proposed boundaries of the partition plan so I shared the map. Does it look like Israel honored the Resolution 181?

Israel did not unilaterally declare statehood, that they did not declare it on their own without international approval. Israel's statehood was made with the approval of the United Nations. And if the Arabs had not rejected it, they would have had a Palestinian state, on the same day that Israel declared statehood.

Resolution was a recommendation and Israel complied with it. Israel followed that recommendation and had the right to declare themselves a state given international approval of such.

The original map did change, but that change was due to the Arabs' attempt to destroy Israel. Israel took administrative control of Gaze, the West Bank and took back ownership of Jerusalem in response to a war of annihilation launched by the Arabs.

Why do you take a blind eye to the Arabic goal of Israel's destruction and the terrorism committed against Israel? Do support such attempts at destroying Israel since you say Israel is illegitimate?

 

[Covenanter]

From the "Times of Israel"

Court okays demolition of 100 East Jerusalem homes under Palestinian control

The High Court of Justice has approved demolition orders for 16 East Jerusalem buildings that contain a total of some 100 apartments under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, sparking fears the unprecedented move could drive Israeli home demolitions deeper in the West Bank.

The court last week struck down an appeal against the demolition of 16 apartment buildings in the Wadi al-Hummus neighborhood of the Sur Baher neighborhood, according to a report in the Haaretz daily.

 

[GoodTidings]

From the "Times of Israel"

Court okays demolition of 100 East Jerusalem homes under Palestinian control

So what?

 

[Agent47]

Israel did not unilaterally declare statehood, that they did not declare it on their own without international approval.

Either you are a troll or illiterate.....or both

I shared Resolution 181 which you have never read, educated you on the meaning of the word recommendation, and here you are bleating the same racist propaganda.
You are not interested in facts, just making as many comments as possible.


Adios

 

[GoodTidings]

Either you are a troll or illiterate.....or both

I shared Resolution 181 which you have never read, educated you on the meaning of the word recommendation, and here you are bleating the same racist propaganda.
You are not interested in facts, just making as many comments as possible.


Adios

I have read it. I have read it many times. And it reflects the will of the international community that grants Israel membership in the community of nations.

Nothing I have said is racist. Again, that is the same libel that you post when you don't have anything of substance to say.

I am well versed on the facts. I am familiar enough with them not to buy into your perversion of the facts. You have not educated me on anything, so don't flatter yourself. I know far more about this subject than you do.

 

[Agent47]

I have read it. I have read it many times. And it reflects the will of the international community that grants Israel membership in the community of nations.

Nothing I have said is racist. Again, that is the same libel that you post when you don't have anything of substance to say.

I am well versed on the facts. I am familiar enough with them not to buy into your perversion of the facts. You have not educated me on anything, so don't flatter yourself. I know far more about this subject than you do.

UN has never created countries. Your thirty years of ignorance is showing

If you had read it you would not have stammered to drop the figures I asked for. I forgive your ignorance. You can take pride in the fact that you are not alone

 

[GoodTidings]

UN has never created countries. Your thirty years of ignorance is showing

If you had read it you would not have stammered to drop the figures I asked for. I forgive your ignorance. You can take pride in the fact that you are not alone

I didn't say that the UN created countries. Your problem is that you respond to what you think I believe.

I have not stammered at all. I simply reflect history and not the history revisionism that you represent. I have read the resolution many times and as I said, it reflects the will of the international community for Israel to become a state. It is that resolution that legitimizes Israel's existence. You choose the Arab narrative that says that Israel's existence is a disaster.

Do you support Islamic terrorism aimed at destroying Israel?

 

[Agent47]

I didn't say that the UN created countries. Your problem is that you respond to what you think I believe.

I have not stammered at all. I simply reflect history and not the history revisionism that you represent. I have read the resolution many times and as I said, it reflects the will of the international community for Israel to become a state. It is that resolution that legitimizes Israel's existence. You choose the Arab narrative that says that Israel's existence is a disaster.

Do you support Islamic terrorism aimed at destroying Israel?

You don’t even know how Israel came into being and you have been studying for 30 years. What a shame!

In the shut thread you claimed Britain set a Israel boundaries. Ignorance is not a virtue

Zionists picked whatever lands they wanted and declared them state of a Israel in total disregard to UN or any law and in total disregard to the existing Arab communities whom they ethnically cleansed.

Later you claimed Israel was created by UN.

The UN legally conferred statehood on Israel. Britain

Now you are so confused you don’t even recall what you said. How old are you?

 

[GoodTidings]

You don’t even know how Israel came into being and you have been studying for 30 years. What a shame!

Of course I do. You are operating from a false version of history, though.

In the shut thread you claimed Britain set a Israel boundaries. Ignorance is not a virtue

They did. The original region of Palestine was much, much larger. Britain took 75% of Palestine to the Arabs and created the state of Trans-Jordan. That left the remaining 25% which is what are dealing with today. I did not say that Britain set the partition boundaries, though.

Zionists picked whatever lands they wanted and declared them state of a Israel in total disregard to UN or any law and in total disregard to the existing Arab communities whom they ethnically cleansed.

That is not true. The Zionist purchased the land they settled which not inhabited and which no one wanted. They did not displace anyone. In fact most of the ethnicities lived along the coastal lines and in the main population centers when the land was purchased and settled.

Later you claimed Israel was created by UN.

No, that is not what my statement really said. I said that the UN conferred statehood upon Israel. It reflects the will of the international community to allow Israel exist as a nation. The international community, minus the Arab community recognized the right of Israel to exist.

Now you are so confused you don’t even recall what you said. How old are you?

I recall what I said perfectly. The problem here is that you are taking my words assigning values to them that I did not intend to communicate. You put the lie into my mouth and then argue against it.

 

[Agent47]

Of course I do. You are operating from a false version of history, though.

They did. The original region of Palestine was much, much larger. Britain took 75% of Palestine to the Arabs and created the state of Trans-Jordan. That left the remaining 25% which is what are dealing with today. I did not say that Britain set the partition boundaries, though.


That is not true. The Zionist purchased the land they settled which not inhabited and which no one wanted. They did not displace anyone. In fact most of the ethnicities lived along the coastal lines and in the main population centers when the land was purchased and settled.

No, that is not what my statement really said. I said that the UN conferred statehood upon Israel. It reflects the will of the international community to allow Israel exist as a nation. The international community, minus the Arab community recognized the right of Israel to exist.



I recall what I said perfectly. The problem here is that you are taking my words assigning values to them that I did not intend to communicate. You put the lie into my mouth and then argue against it.

Bla bla

You have the UNSCOP report showing you land ownership between Arabs and Jews in Palestine. Jews bought or owned 7% by end of 1947. Arabs owned 85%. Why are you bleating lies? I thought this is a ‘christian’ Board

“Conferred” means giving, which means UN gave Zionists ‘statehood’,or state of being a State. So what’s that if not making Israel?

 

[GoodTidings]

Bla bla

Do you support Islamic terrorism that seeks to annihilate Israel on the grounds that Israel is illegitimate should not exist?

 

[Agent47]

Do you support Islamic terrorism that seeks to annihilate Israel on the grounds that Israel is illegitimate should not exist?

Do you support Zionist terrorism in Gaza and West Bank?

 

[GoodTidings]

Do you support Zionist terrorism in Gaza and West Bank?

There is no terrorism committed by Israel in the West Bank.

But since you deny Israel's right to exist, do you support the terrorism that is aimed at wiping out Israel's existence?

 

[Agent47]

There is no terrorism committed by Israel in the West Bank.

But since you deny Israel's right to exist, do you support the terrorism that is aimed at wiping out Israel's existence?

There is no ‘islamic terrorism’ in Gaza and West Bank. If you have proof please share it and define terrorism while at it

Here is UN indicting Zionists of war crimes.
UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on Protests in Gaza Presents its Findings - Press Release - Question of Palestine
Its a shame that ‘christians’ or Christian wannabes support terrorism

 

[GoodTidings]

There is no ‘islamic terrorism’ in Gaza and West Bank. If you have proof please share it and define terrorism while at it

The Palestinian rocket attacks, bus bombings, and ambushes of Jewish families, the bombing of Jewish restaurants, and the call for more terrorism by Imams in mosques that sit on Israeli soil are all examples of Isalmic terror being perpetrated upon Israel in and from the West Bank and Gaza. You also have the terror tunnels meant to bring Hamas terrorists into close proximity to Israeli targets. To say there is no terror in the West Bank and Gaza amounts to intellectual suicide.

Here is UN indicting Zionists if war crimes.
UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on Protests in Gaza Presents its Findings - Press Release - Question of Palestine
Its a shame that ‘christians’ Or Christian wannabes support terrorism

The UN is owned by Islam. It is not the same international body that existed when Roosevelt created it. Today, the UN is made up of Islamic countries, most of whom support terrorism against Israel and much of the international community sympathizes with the Islamic hatred of Israel.

So, it is not surprising given how evil and satanic that Islam is, that it labels any and all defensive countermeasures Israel employs as "war crimes" or "crimes against humanity." This in spite of the fact that Israel's humanitarian record is far better than most countries of the Islamic world.

In Islam, terrorism is righteous and praiseworthy and any attempt to resist or thwart it, to retaliate against it is a crime.

So I don't put any stock in what the UN says about Israel. The UN has more resolutions against Israel than any other nation and that reflects the inherent problem with Islam and Islamic countries, most if not all, which support the destruction of Israel. The Islamic definition of a war crime is any attempt to defend oneself from Islamic terrorism.

There are very few if any resolutions against Palestinian/Islamic terrorism against Israel. In fact, as long as the target is Israel, actions that are normally considered "terrorism" are not considered terrorist attacks at all.

Islam is a plague on the world that needs to be eradicated. And one day when the Lord returns, Islam will be destroyed and may God speed that day, Alleluia.

 

[church mouse guy]

Spam

Another troll post.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is no ‘islamic terrorism’ in Gaza and West Bank. If you have proof please share it and define terrorism while at it

Here is UN indicting Zionists of war crimes.
UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on Protests in Gaza Presents its Findings - Press Release - Question of Palestine
Its a shame that ‘christians’ or Christian wannabes support terrorism

who on this board are Christian wannabees?