Maybe you were reading the wrong books when you were young. Both my grandfather and the president of my Bible college came to a premil position strictly by reading the Bible. Someone heard my pres, Dr. Lee Roberson, preaching and said, "You're a premilennialist." He replied, "What's that?"
All from this passage?
Revelations 20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven,
nholding in his hand the key to
othe bottomless pit
1 and a great chain.
pthe dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and
qbound him for a thousand years,
othe pit, and shut it and
rsealed it over him, so that
she might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
tthrones, and
useated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw
vthe souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those
wwho had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
xThey came to life and
yreigned with Christ for a thousand years.
zBlessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such
athe second death has no power, but they will be
bpriests of God and of Christ, and they
cwill reign with him for a thousand years.
https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev 20- Author John, Written around Ad 68
Better?- Thats meant to be a joke, Not another define star moment.
This is a terrible source. First of all, as noted above, this man disbelieves major portions of Scripture, so he's not fit to comment on spiritual things. Secondly, he has no training in exegesis, so he often just gives his opinion about the source. Thirdly, he doesn't source any of his material. Fourthly, he is quite mistaken in some of his statements. For example, he claims Mathetes as author of the Epistle to Diognetes, but I have no idea where he got that. I have two different translations of the ECF on my shelves, and neither even mentions Mathetes in their intro to the document. Fifthly, he concludes these authors to be "non-premil," but frankly, his proof is all conjecture. He gives only negative opinions, meaning from the evidence he cannot really tell if they are premil or not. In other words, he never one time proves an alternate view, though he might say something like "I think this guy is amil." But no author until Augustine is provably amil.
Show me some statements of Polycarp's premillennialism. Please, asking nicely.
This is plagiarism. You have taken this as is from someone else's website without sourcing it: christianityinhistory.blogspot.com/2007/11/. (That is, unless this is your own website--but then you should still source it.) We severely penalize students in our college who plagiarize, up to and sometimes including expulsion. It's not honest and it's not ethical.
I honestly apologize. I will cite sources.
You say that most preterists "were so pleasant in their answers to me." Son (I'm feeling fatherly), you need to get over this. Whether or not someone is nice to you has nothing to do with truth or whether or not they are helpful. Chances are someone who rebukes you is showing a lot more love than someone who is nice to you. My high school wrestling coach only said something nice to me twice in 3 years, but his rebukes had a huge, positive impact on my life to this very day.
You are not my coach, teacher, or anything above me, but a Brother in Christ. If I were a Non christian, your disposition on the matter, your repetitive "My degree, stop reading Junk, Your here to debate, Millennial Problem" Would really Turn me off towards Christianity. Im sorry If that bothers you, But I'm being Honest with you. You may of liked "tough love" But when I grew up, my father grounded me from the internet if I questioned the KJV bible and Futurism saying it was from the devil. I need a Friend, not a Father, I rarely talk to him (not because of the futurism,because what he said about the bible was true and nothing but the truth and why? Because he said so). unless I want something or I go home to visit. ( I know its terrible). So far As a futurist and reading all the books he has, I have not found one to be credible, All of them start with a preconceived idea in my opinion. And they all pretty much try to date set, last days last days, 1988, antichrist is probably living now....and so on. Lindsey Macarthur Walvoord Lahaye (the left behind series are still good Fiction movies though), all sound like Im reading starwars instead of the bible. Talks of aircraft carriers and Tomahawk missiles, helicopters as locusts. I don't believe John seen any of this no more then he seen Godzilla destroy Japan.
Im not going through a rebellion stage of futurism, I just find the Creditability of the explanations of preterism (at least with the Olivet discourse to be a lot more believable). Im actually watching a Debate right now. Gary Demar and Thomas Ice. I don't get how Ice, says Luke is about the Destruction of the Temple but Matthew is about the end of the world. Jesus only gave one discourse they are parallel passages, they say the same thing, in different words, same as What was written on Jesus's Cross, they all say different things in each Gospel.
Matthew 24
15 “So when you see the
abomination of desolation wspoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in
xthe holy place (
ylet the reader understand),
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains zLet the one who is on
athe housetop not go down to take what is in his house,
balas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! cgreat tribulation,
dsuch as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
ethe sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
fThen if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
gfalse christs and
hfalse prophets will arise and
iperform great signs and wonders,
hso as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
jI have told you beforehand.
khe is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
lFor as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be
mthe coming of the Son of Man.
nWherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
Luke 21
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its
desolation is near.21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.23
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
