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Could Christ Have Sinned? II

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Oseas3

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Larry the Logger said:
I used the reference to Ahab because God used a lie to trick Ahab and was pleased an angel came up with the solution which was to lie; Rahab lied and as a result God saw fit to illustrate her faith in God for all eternity.

Don't be surprised when Ahab is resuscitated with the rest of Israel per Ezekiel's valley of dry bones and lives somewhere on the Millennial Kingdom earth. He certainly won't be living in millennial Israel nor have access to Ezekiel's temple but he'll probably be living in Palmdale, California or Twenty Nine Palms wondering what he needs to do to get it right this time.
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What is perceived and discerned through your own words is that even you are used by the same lying spirit that you invoked in your posts, and he inspired you to write the above liar content. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, false witness, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts-Matt.15:v.19.

Remember: Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in this Day of Judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt. 12:v.36-37
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord GOD- the Word- weighs the spirits-Prov. 16:v.2. You were weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.

Be careful or get ready

Larry the Logger said:
Your use of Romans 2 is confusing because that chapter in context refers back to Romans 1 and the Roman believers who pointed their self-righteous fingers at the people doing Romans 1:18-32, not realizing that Paul was actually speaking of those Roman believers (who will receive resurrection bodies) doing exactly the same thing per Romans 2:1. A rope-a-dope on Paul's part if you will. IOW, Romans 2 is the beginning of the solution (Romans 2:7) for unfaithful believers like those in Rome. Not doing the solution per the entire rest of Romans means loss of inheritance in eternity, but NOT loss of salvation, two very different things.
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Oh you are mixing Scriptures to justify the lies you have sowed.

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Larry the Logger

Larry the Logger

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Oseas3 said:
What is perceived and discerned through your own words is that even you are used by the same lying spirit that you invoked in your posts, and he inspired you to write the above liar content.
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Wow! God? Is that...You?

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Oseas3 said:
out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, false witness, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts-Matt.15:v.19.
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And all this time I thought I was just eating with unwashed hands, although I do understand the Lord's frustration with Peter. I think it's the blue font color.

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Remember: Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in this Day of Judgment.
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Well, I no doubt deserve a shoe shine kit at the judgment seat of Christ with Him pointing to a sign that says, "Outer Darkness 500 miles," although I do strive to do Philippians 2:12-18, not only to receive an overcomer promise per Rev 2-3, but mostly to have a closer relationship with the Lord now and in eternity.

Oseas3 said:
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt. 12:v.36-37 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;
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Especially when there's a two by four stuck in them.

Oseas3 said:
but the Lord GOD- the Word- weighs the spirits-
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Prov. 16:v.2. You were weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.
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That must have hurt your fingers.

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Be careful or get ready
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You know, the old governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, had a tag line he used on a Discovery Channel show he once hosted; "You Won't Believe What You Don't Know."

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Oh you are mixing Scriptures to justify the lies you have sowed.
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Check your phone messages. I'm pretty sure the Kettle left you one.
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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Aaron said:
The point is, you have an image in your head about the Incarnation. It is false and unbiblical if you say the Word could not become flesh without being corruptible. You are trading His glory (part of which is His incorruptible nature) for an image made like to corruptible man.

Man is not worthy of worship. But Christ received it from men and angels. Why? because He was and is and always will be the uncorruptible God.
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False and unbiblical? Sorry, no; this might be the time to give your position a careful review. The Man Christ Jesus is declared in the Bible to be worthy of worship; Revelation 5:12 specifically cites Jesus' humanity ("the Lamb that was slain"), not His deity. This is not "trading" an image, it is respecting, admiring, and glorifying the image and the work the Lord Jesus took upon Himself as a man (Philippians 2). "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5).

Where does Scripture support your claim that Jesus could only be worshiped as God, and not as the uniquely born Son of God? Matthew 2:2 and Hebrews 1:6 certainly indicate otherwise. Philippians 2:7-11 explicitly states that God has given Jesus a name above every name, at which every knee will bow, because of faithfulness and obedience in His humanity reflecting the Father's glory.
 
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Aaron

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It's really very simple. The testimony of Scriptures is that it is impossible for God to lie. And that is the foundation of our hope for Salvation. Hebrews 6:18-19

Jesus is the Truth. He isn't just about the truth, as if a standard of truth exists apart and independent of Him, as it does us. He is the Truth. And if it were possible for Christ to not be the Truth, then I guess one could say that Jesus could lie.

The arguments against this come from one root--well...two. The main one, and the most dangerous, is the lack of faith in what the Spirit has said in a straightforward and unmistakable manner. The other is the mistaken notion of what it means to become a man, and to live under the law and to be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses (versus our corruption). It's the idea that temptation can have no power if one cannot covet, and that is a grave error.

If one merely trusted the Apostle to be telling us the truth when He said it is impossible for God to lie, one would start by re-evaluating his notions of human nature and what it means to be tempted. And then the argument is over.

Anyway. I'm done with this argument for now.
 
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Aaron

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Tsalagi said:
Yes, most certainly. Hebrews 1:5, Acts 13:33, John 3:16.
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Yeah, I get it. It's a very pagan notion.

We know of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost...Who was the Son before He became the Son? He was and is eternally the Only Begotten of the Father. And He sent His only begotten into the world. 1 John 4:9
 
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Aaron said:
Yeah, I get it. It's a very pagan notion.

We know of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost...Who was the Son before He became the Son? He was and is eternally the Only Begotten of the Father. And He sent His only begotten into the world. 1 John 4:9
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He was the Word (John 1:1). He was begotten when He became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). The offering of His begotten flesh is an essential part of our salvation (Hebrews 10:5, 10, 20). May I suggest reflecting on those verses carefully and prayerfully.
 
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Yeshua1

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Tsalagi said:
False and unbiblical? Sorry, no; this might be the time to give your position a careful review. The Man Christ Jesus is declared in the Bible to be worthy of worship; Revelation 5:12 specifically cites Jesus' humanity ("the Lamb that was slain"), not His deity. This is not "trading" an image, it is respecting, admiring, and glorifying the image and the work the Lord Jesus took upon Himself as a man (Philippians 2). "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5).

Where does Scripture support your claim that Jesus could only be worshiped as God, and not as the uniquely born Son of God? Matthew 2:2 and Hebrews 1:6 certainly indicate otherwise. Philippians 2:7-11 explicitly states that God has given Jesus a name above every name, at which every knee will bow, because of faithfulness and obedience in His humanity reflecting the Father's glory.
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Jesus is fully God Himself, correct?
 
Tsalagi

Tsalagi

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Aaron said:
It's really very simple. The testimony of Scriptures is that it is impossible for God to lie. And that is the foundation of our hope for Salvation. Hebrews 6:18-19

Jesus is the Truth. He isn't just about the truth, as if a standard of truth exists apart and independent of Him, as it does us. He is the Truth. And if it were possible for Christ to not be the Truth, then I guess one could say that Jesus could lie.
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"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19). Yet Jesus calls Himself the Son of Man, and He certainly was a man as well as God.

Let's agree that God does not lie, and He does not change His mind (repent). In John chapter 7 Jesus tells His brothers He is NOT going up to Jerusalem for the Feast of Booths (John 7:8-9). But then He DOES go (John 7:10). Did He lie, or did He change His mind? Either way, what do you do with Numbers 23:19?
 
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SGO

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No man hath seen God at any time,
the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father,
he hath declared him.
John 1:18

And without controversy
great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh.
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached to the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
 
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Yeshua1

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Tsalagi said:
Jesus is fully God, and He also has a body. Does the Father or the Spirit have a body? Jesus is everything they are, plus humanity. Right?
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He is not more then the Father or Holy Spirit, as all 3 are equally God!
 
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