Just as Jesus cannot be inferior to the father
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Could Jesus Do Things the Father and Holy Spirit could not do?
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All three are the same God, YHWH. Just that Jesus is now an immortal man, which God is not. 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 13:8.
Tsalagi
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Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of the Father. That's a subordinate position, and it's now.
Anyone who ever served in the military understands that subordination does not mean inferiority or inequality. Wives are certainly neither inferior nor unequal when they submit to their husbands in accordance with Scripture. The same is true of the voluntary hierarchy present in the Trinity: Father, Son, Spirit.
Jesus is God man
Right hand position of authority and power, not subordination!
Tsalagi
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The "fully God" argument is overly simplistic and leads to error. Maybe this analogy will illustrate:
Is a man fully human? (Yes). Is a woman fully human? (Yes).
Can a man conceive and give birth to a child? (No). Can a woman conceive and give birth to a child? (yes).
Wait a minute. The man is fully human and it is impossible for him to birth children.
To say a woman can do something the man can't, you're saying she is not fully human!
Can you spot the fallacy?
How about this, All that makes the Father to be God, Jesus has it also!
Tsalagi
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Mark 10:37. Matthew 24:23-25. Read and learn.
Tsalagi
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Can Jesus do things the Father can't do?
Not right now!
Tsalagi
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Hebrews 7:25. Revelation 5:5. Read and learn.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
When did the root of David, prevail, did he die for our sins and be raised out of the dead to live forever, was he dead when dead or ever living? How long was he dead? When did the heir of God become the inheritor of God Heb 1:1-4
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
When did the root of David, prevail, did he die for our sins and be raised out of the dead to live forever, was he dead when dead or ever living? How long was he dead? When did the heir of God become the inheritor of God Heb 1:1-4
Five pages and counting folks. This thread asks if one Person of the Trinity is more powerful that the other two? Which is false doctrine. Also buried in the heap is the contention that the incarnation "enabled" God the Son to be able to do things the other two persons could not do. This too is false doctrine, there is no magic power that enables God. Good Grief!
Questions dodged by many posters:
1) Since Jesus was "all knowing" why did He not know the time of His return?
2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?
Questions dodged by many posters:
1) Since Jesus was "all knowing" why did He not know the time of His return?
2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?
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Larry the Logger
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Tsalagi
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"More powerful" is an erroneous phrase. Jesus is not "more powerful" than the Father because He came to earth and was born and died as a man. Philippians 2 says Jesus "emptied Himself" of His equality with God to become human - less than, not more than, deity; less powerful, not more powerful. Jesus' humanity was therefore empowered by the Spirit of God and the Word of God, not by His own personal deity which He voluntarily set aside on our behalf.
Well, Sir, their appears to be some "folks" who think dodging the questions is appropriate. I will not wait with "bated breath" for your answer of these:
Questions dodged by many posters:
1) Since Jesus was "all knowing" why did He not know the time of His return?
2) Since the Holy Spirit is "all knowing" why did He not know the time of Christ's return?
Since God is all knowing and all powerful and omnipresent there is nothing He does not know everything about, nor was Christ alone on that Cross. This includes the pain and suffering of Christ. Along with the presents of The Father and the Holy Spirit. No earhtly father ever watched his son die with out feeling every bit of it why should the Father God not feel every bit of what happened as well?They as God were all there. Jesus was God in the flesh.
MB
Larry the Logger
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Good thing I did not wait with baited breath for this person to contribute something useful.