Simple, to be truthful.
“If you take part of the truth, and try to make that part of the truth, all of the truth, then that part of the truth becomes an untruth.” ~ Adrian Rogers
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Could some of your children be not elect of God?
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Simple, to be truthful.
“If you take part of the truth, and try to make that part of the truth, all of the truth, then that part of the truth becomes an untruth.” ~ Adrian Rogers
Are you accusing me of the belief that the preaching of the Gospel is foolishness? Because that's what it sounds like!!
Reformed1689
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So when witnessing you give a full systematic theology? I don't believe that for a minute.
Reformed1689
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Yes. And you accuse us of lying.
#1 No, I accuse you of leaving out the rest of the story. That is a truth.
#2 Grow up, drop the Ad hominem and learn some critical thinking skills, like 2 wrongs never make a right.
Reformed1689
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1. Do you give a full systematic theology when you witness? I doubt it. You are leaving out details.
2. Ad hominem? Seriously? I was not wrong, you are truly saying that the preaching of the Gospel is Foolishness if you don't give a full systematic theology. I didn't make a wrong. That is literally what you are saying whether you realize it or not.
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Alan Gross
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Go back through the expert Wizard of Smart posts on this thread about 'Salvation' and look for the word, "sin".
Go ahead.
Lot's of pronouncing unilateral decrees of the way to tell Jesus to get with it and God to move over, they are coming to Heaven, but never a mention of anything 'Salvation' serves any purpose for, other than that'a a Bible thing.
Nothing to cause any concern or the Death of a Perfect Human.
Nothing to be Repented of or to agree with God about.
Nothing, of substance, to have faith in;
... heck, other people die in the line of duty.
Jesus was a nice example.
Just believing Christphor Columbus discovered America to be a US Citizen,
Jesus was a nice person, to go to Heaven,
and that is 'faith', although they also have faith they came from a monkey.
And that 'saying you are a Christian', is another gospel, but one that works.
Right.
That which is flesh is flesh.
Christ was Made to be sin, He that knew no sin.... for some reason.
Alan Gross
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Christopher m
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Great to hear. I have also placed faith and trust in Christ and confessed him as Lord.
George Antonios
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George Antonios
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Are you kidding? We had an entire thread where you guys repeatedly stated that the criterion is not faith in Christ but some mystery in the mind of God.
George Antonios
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And the proof is?
(Deu 4:29) But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
(1Ch 16:11) Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.
(1Ch 16:12) Remember his marvelous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
(1Ch 22:19) Now set your heart and your soul to seek the LORD your God; arise therefore, and build ye the sanctuary of the LORD God, to bring the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and the holy vessels of God, into the house that is to be built to the name of the LORD.
(1Ch 28:9) And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off forever.
(2Ch 11:16) And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.
(2Ch 12:14) And he did evil, because he prepared not his heart to seek the LORD.
(2Ch 15:2) And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
(2Ch 15:12) And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;
(2Ch 15:13) That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
(2Ch 30:18) For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one
(2Ch 30:19) That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.
(Ezr 7:10) For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments.
(Psa 14:2) The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
(Psa 22:26) The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live forever.
(Psa 27:4) One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in his temple.
(Psa 27:8) When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
(Psa 34:10) The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing.
(Psa 40:16) Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified.
(Psa 69:6) Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.
(Psa 83:16) Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
(Psa 105:3) Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
(Psa 105:4) Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.
(Pro 28:5) Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
(Isa 55:6) Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
(Hos 10:12) Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
(Amo 5:4) For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:
(Amo 5:6) Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel.
(Amo 5:14) Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
(Zep 2:3) Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.
(Act 15:17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
(Act 17:27) That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
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I didn’t think so, but that is one error Ruckman taught.
In using OT passages, I am assuming you do know that the only access to God was through the ordinances and rituals associated with the tabernacle/temple(s).
Did not the Lord Jesus acknowledge this to the woman of Samaria?
Paul ask, “...how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?”.
There is no magical innate seeking outside the direction and authority of God.
But then again you are correct in presenting some make distinction. It is wrong to do so and as others have pointed out, the Word is indiscriminately spread. Just as the Lord stated in the parable of the sower.
But who is in charge of the dirt? Who determines the preparation, where the path runs, what is too shallow and rocky?
It is all under the authority of God.
Note a Determinist arguing for his doctrines of determinism against scripture, because I said nothing. He must see this need to address the offense of these scriptures to his systematic theology, since I made no argument apart from that which scripture made.
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