Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
GE
I'll come back to you on your previous post - it requires more time.
On this post,
By 'clear' I mean in the first place, 'literal' meaning of words, and next, established meaning in both Jewish and Christian tradition. In Mk15:42, there are several inter-confirming given that all point to one only possible day of the week, according to both these criteria, and that is Friday beginning. The strongest 'traditional factor of these, is the definition of the specific 'Day of Preparation' involved, namely, "the Fore-Sabbath"-'Preparation' which in no single source ever is used for another day than Friday, so there can be absolutely NO doubt Jesus was BURIED on Friday.
Then we have the other time-indications that confirm the fact in the very text, as well as other factors such as the last "six days before Passover" (as I posted the sequence of).
And last, but not least, there is the eschatological (prophetic / prospective significance of all OT Sabbath-references of God's Finishing of His Works in Christ which - to me - could only as much as to Christ as the Person, have shown the Sabbath as the Day of God's Finishing.
I see a lot of speculation, here, but few Scriptural specifics, frankly. Not to mention, you seem to want to "pick and choose" how and when you will define and apply "Sabbath". Plus, what is or is not "Biblical". You have previously written this in post #87:
By no means necessarily! The Feast Sabbath could concur with the weekly Sabbath. I know of no such incidence however in the OT. But rabbinic literature from AFTER Christ, began the practice to move the Feast Sabbath onto another date of the month so as to create time-space for it to be observed independently. This however is NOT Biblical. Why should we worry about it in any case, seeing it was not the case with the Passover when Jesus was crucified?
You do here correctly acknowledge that there is (or at least can be) a difference between
"the Feast Sabbath" (15 Nisan) and
"the weekly Sabbath". You also mention that they can occur on the same day, as well. I agree fully on both counts, that both are Biblically possible. Although I previously posted that the "day of the week" is incidental to the "date" on the calender. "That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!" :laugh:
Seriously, this is undoubtedly correct, and the "high day" Sabbath can occur (and did about one year out of every seven) on the same day as the regular "weekly sabbath". It just did not happen to so occur during the Passion Week. Other Scriptures show this, including some I've posted.
I do take exception to your contention of "defining" and concluding that
"the definition of the specific 'Day of Preparation' involved, namely "the Fore-Sabbath"-'Preparation' which in no single source ever is used for another day than Friday, so there can be absolutely NO doubt Jesus was BURIED on Friday." (My emboldening to show your quote.) Sorry, that is still
speculation, and not
"Biblical", which you just got through addressing, above! :BangHead:
(Although, when Jesus' body was actually entombed by Joseph and Nicodemus, and "sundown" is still only tangential, at most, to when the crucifixion occurred, with no bearing on "three days and three nights" or the other phrases, such as "in three days", "after three days", etc., defining this period of time, as it also has no bearing as to when the resurrection occurred. And since it keeps getting ignored, I may yet have to come back and post why the Lamb was 'taken' on "Palm Sunday", and killed 'Thursday', having to do with Jesus keeping the Sabbath.)
We know
exactly when the Lamb was to be 'taken' - 10 Nisan. (Ex. 12:3) We know from Exodus 12 and Lev. 23,
exactly when the Lamb was to be killed - the day specifically identified as "Passover" on 14 Nisan "between the evenings". (Ex. 12:6; Lev. 23:5) I have posted to "between the evenings", as well, previously.
This is certainly the same day spoken of and identified (correctly and colloquially, but not technically) as "the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover
must be killed". (Ex. 12:6, 18; Lk. 22:7) This 14 Nisan is also identical to the
Day of Preparation, spoken here, which had become another common name for "Passover" Day. (Mt. 26:17; 27:62; Mk. 14:12; 15:42; Lk. 22:8, 9; 23:54; Jn. 19:14, 31, 42)
I'm not exactly sure that Mk. 15:42 can carry all the weight you are attempting to assign to it, however, for that verse merely says, in some various versions
42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, (NKJV)
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, (TNIV)
42 And now evening having come, seeing it was the preparation, that is, the fore-sabbath, (YLT)
42 It was the day before the Sabbath. That day was called Preparation Day. As evening approached, (NIRV)
42 This was Preparation Day. (That means the day before the Sabbath day.) That evening, (NCV)
42(
A)When evening had already come, because it was (
B)the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, (NASB)
The word "prosabbaton" occurs only here in Scripture, in the NT. It is also a rendering in Judith, and perhaps once in Psalms, in the LXX, according to Thayer. He also gives a couple of extrabiblical references. This is hardly overwhelming support to your contention that it has to refer to Friday. I believe it refers here to Thursday and the "Feast Day" Sabbath, of 15 Nisan, and not the regular "weekly Sabbath", and that this is consistent with the rest of Scripture. Do you have some Scripture that shows this not to be the case, somehow?
Finally, and I think I'm starting to repeat myself, time after time, in this, so plan to cut back on posting in this thread, I will have now asked four times for some Scripture that gives some evidence that the resurrection occurred on a "Sabbath". Yet you still make such allusions and/or implications. I have yet to see any Scripture saying this, though. Could it be because just maybe there is none, and that this is entirely "a theological construct"? I wonder.
Ed