DACA must end, or we have another problem in years to follow!

[righteousdude2]

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

I was never for Reagans' amnesty program because I saw that amnesty leading to more amnesties in the future, and DACA is the second round of Reagan's amnesty on steroids. Should Trump grant any form of leniency towards these young illegal's, this will be followed with another form of a round three of amnesty two or three decades from now. In fact, the truth is, if we open the flood gates one more time, it will never end!

Trump needs to place three demands on this phase out of DACA. The phases are:

1) Place all these DACA recipients on notice that they must move from DACA to active application to become a citizen, and they must meet that challenge in a reasonable time period! And that speaking English is not an option, but a mandatory requirement.

2) We must include a Congressional end to the "anchor baby" laws, immediately.

3) And the wall need to be built right now!

4) Any children crossing our borders again, from this time forward, will not be reunited with families already in America, BUT rather, immediately deported, regardless of the excuses or reasons they present for rational to remain!

If we do not place in to practice and more importantly LAW what we have learned from the Reagan debacle, we will set ourselves up for failure again! And believe me, the foreigners wanting to come here illegally will continue to come! Remember, we will not always have a GOP POTIS. In four or eight years, we could return to the liberal, bleeding heart leftists, and see our illegal woes return.

What do you think we should do
to prevent future immigration problems?​

 

[saved41199]

Considering that 100% of the DACA kids have NO criminal history and 91% of them are employed...I fail to see your problem here. Less than 200,000 illegals cross at the border crossings, most of them cross via air travel. You do know also that there are more EUROPEAN illegals here than Latinx illegals, right?

Regarding "anchor babies"...would you have ME deported? I'm an "anchor baby"...what would I do in my mother's country where I don't even speak the language?

You'd deport children with no provision for their safety or well-being?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

I was never for Reagans' amnesty program because I saw that amnesty leading to more amnesties in the future, and DACA is the second round of Reagan's amnesty on steroids. Should Trump grant any form of leniency towards these young illegal's, this will be followed with another form of a round three of amnesty two or three decades from now. In fact, the truth is, if we open the flood gates one more time, it will never end!

Trump needs to place three demands on this phase out of DACA. The phases are:

1) Place all these DACA recipients on notice that they must move from DACA to active application to become a citizen, and they must meet that challenge in a reasonable time period! And that speaking English is not an option, but a mandatory requirement.

2) We must include a Congressional end to the "anchor baby" laws, immediately.

3) And the wall need to be built right now!

4) Any children crossing our borders again, from this time forward, will not be reunited with families already in America, BUT rather, immediately deported, regardless of the excuses or reasons they present for rational to remain!

If we do not place in to practice and more importantly LAW what we have learned from the Reagan debacle, we will set ourselves up for failure again! And believe me, the foreigners wanting to come here illegally will continue to come! Remember, we will not always have a GOP POTIS. In four or eight years, we could return to the liberal, bleeding heart leftists, and see our illegal woes return.

What do you think we should do
to prevent future immigration problems?​

So then... the enemy is at the gates

 

[Jerome]

Russell Moore and several other SBC entity heads, along with J D Greear, who was nearly elected SBC President in 2016, have signed a manifesto insisting on support for DACA recipients:

Southern Baptist Leaders Urge Trump to Protect 'Dreamers'

 

[Revmitchell]

Considering that 100% of the DACA kids have NO criminal history and 91% of them are employed...I fail to see your problem here. Less than 200,000 illegals cross at the border crossings, most of them cross via air travel. You do know also that there are more EUROPEAN illegals here than Latinx illegals, right?

Regarding "anchor babies"...would you have ME deported? I'm an "anchor baby"...what would I do in my mother's country where I don't even speak the language?

You'd deport children with no provision for their safety or well-being?

Once again none of this post has anything to do with the op. He said none of this nor implied it.

 

[TCassidy]

Regarding "anchor babies"...would you have ME deported?

Once again. You cannot be deported. Period. You are both a Jus Soli and a Jus Sanguinis citizen. End of discussion.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Tom, let's face it there are some very vocal types who would want to deport Saved. I can't foot note it. But back in the depths of the Depression, some not so bright lights in Wyoming\Montana loaded their local Hispanic (citizen or not) onto train cars and sent them south to Mexico.

 

[777]

Some of these DACA "kids" are pushing 37. I'm not so sure the extension is what he's going to announce, these things get twisted up far too often, but if Trump thinks he can reneg on a specific campaign promise, have Ryan and Mitch pass a DACA bill that Trump signs, he's dead wrong - Congress will NOT get the blame, but Trump will and deservedly so.

 

[rsr]

Tom, let's face it there are some very vocal types who would want to deport Saved. I can't foot note it. But back in the depths of the Depression, some not so bright lights in Wyoming\Montana loaded their local Hispanic (citizen or not) onto train cars and sent them south to Mexico.

America's Forgotten History Of Mexican-American 'Repatriation'

 

[righteousdude2]

So then... the enemy is at the gates

We are making progress. You finally understand what I am talking about!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We are making progress. You finally understand what I am talking about!

Yes, you are fearful.

 

[righteousdude2]

Yes, you are fearful.

Of God, yes I am fearfully and wonderfully made (Psalm 139:14). How insightful of you to see that!?

Other then that, there is nothing I fear! Especially when it comes to your criticism! I live to please but one person in life, and that is God! So long as He is pleased with me, I am just fine!

Have a blessed and wonderful week.​

 

[righteousdude2]

Considering that 100% of the DACA kids have NO criminal history and 91% of them are employed...I fail to see your problem here. Less than 200,000 illegals cross at the border crossings, most of them cross via air travel. You do know also that there are more EUROPEAN illegals here than Latinx illegals, right?

Regarding "anchor babies"...would you have ME deported? I'm an "anchor baby"...what would I do in my mother's country where I don't even speak the language?

You'd deport children with no provision for their safety or well-being?

You got my attention! Still, the law is the law! As far as anchor babies. We need to change the law, and no longer offer that excuse. You would definitely fall into the group of those permitted to remain!

I am sure you would agree that we have an immigration problem, if you can't see that or understand that, then I feel for you! As for the comment, as to where these immigrants come from, I never said they ALL came from south of the border! In fact, I think I mentioned all those nations from which they came!

If you have adjusted and love this country, and I mean assimilated and speak English, you would most likely be an exception to the case! There are exceptions to every case. But, we need to stop anchor babies, because it is one of the root causes of illegal immigration. The Asians have birthing homes all over Southern California, and once the baby is born the mother and child return home, waiting for the day they can bring their extended family to America to enjoy the fruits of citizenship on the back of that baby! Again, if you see no wrong in that, I feel badly for you!

Per your angry tone, I am reminded why I ignore you! I had to see what others were saying, and wanted to reply to your post, because I believe you are dead serious, but wrong, in what you are accusing me and my intentions of! God bless you sister. And Welcome to America!

 

[Crabtownboy]

If Trump destroys DACA he will be violating everything scripture teaches about care for the alien and stranger, and not oppressing the widow and the orphan. Thus, those who support destroying DACA are doing the same. Read your Bible and see.

And remember the Last Judgment in Matthew ... what is said there?

Biblical verses on how we are to treat aliens ... note the Bible does not differentiate legal or illegal:


Ruth 2:10
Job 31:32
Matthew 25:35
Matthew 25:38
Matthew 25:44
Ephesians 3:1
1 Timothy 5:10
3 John 1:5
Deuteronomy 10:19
Leviticus 19:34
Leviticus 25:35
Hebrews 13:2
Deuteronomy 14:29
Deuteronomy 26:11
Leviticus 19:10
Leviticus 23:22
Deuteronomy 24:19-21
Deuteronomy 26:12-13

 

[JonC]

If Trump destroys DACA he will be violating everything scripture teaches about care for the alien and stranger, and not oppressing the widow and the orphan. Thus, those who support destroying DACA are doing the same. Read your Bible and see.

And remember the Last Judgment in Matthew ... what is said there?

I disagree in regards to President Trump, his administration, or the government in general. Our nation is not the church.

I agree with the last part, if provisions are not made for these people to become citizens (without deportation). We have a responsibility because we have allowed these people to remain in our country for decades. Some are being threatened to be deported to a country they never knew. There are too many Christians spreading hatred in the name of nationalism rather than the love in the name of Christ.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The Bible on the treatment of others, including aliens and on our own responsibilities:

Leviticus 19:33-34 ESV / 234 helpful votes
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 23:9 ESV / 226 helpful votes
“You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 22:21 ESV / 210 helpful votes
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 10:19 ESV / 156 helpful votes
Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:34 ESV / 123 helpful votes
You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Malachi 3:5 ESV / 117 helpful votes
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.

Leviticus 24:22 ESV / 103 helpful votes
You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.”

Hebrews 13:2 ESV / 101 helpful votes
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Psalm 146:9 ESV / 91 helpful votes
The Lord watches over the sojourners; he upholds the widow and the fatherless, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.

Leviticus 23:22 ESV / 87 helpful votes
“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.”

Leviticus 19:10 ESV / 86 helpful votes
And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 20:10 ESV / 76 helpful votes
But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.

Jeremiah 22:3 ESV / 72 helpful votes
Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.

1 Peter 2:11 ESV / 71 helpful votes
Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.

Deuteronomy 27:19 ESV / 68 helpful votes
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

Deuteronomy 24:14 ESV / 62 helpful votes
“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns.

Zechariah 7:10 ESV / 59 helpful votes
Do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”




What Does the Bible Say About Foreigners?

 

[Crabtownboy]

What the Bible says page 2

1 Kings 8:41-43 ESV / 59 helpful votes
“Likewise, when a foreigner, who is not of your people Israel, comes from a far country for your name's sake (for they shall hear of your great name and your mighty hand, and of your outstretched arm), when he comes and prays toward this house, hear in heaven your dwelling place and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to you, in order that all the peoples of the earth may know your name and fear you, as do your people Israel, and that they may know that this house that I have built is called by your name.

Deuteronomy 23:7 ESV / 58 helpful votes
“You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a sojourner in his land.

Exodus 12:49 ESV / 58 helpful votes
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Matthew 25:35 ESV / 54 helpful votes
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,Deuteronomy 26:12-13 ESV / 53 helpful votes
“When you have finished paying all the tithe of your produce in the third year, which is the year of tithing, giving it to the Levite, the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, so that they may eat within your towns and be filled, then you shall say before the Lord your God, ‘I have removed the sacred portion out of my house, and moreover, I have gi
ven it to the Levite, the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, according to all your commandment that you have commanded me. I have nt transgressed any of your commandments, nor have I forgotten them.

Jeremiah 7:6 ESV / 52 helpful votes
If you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm,

Deuteronomy 10:17-19 ESV / 51 helpful votes
For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:19-21 ESV / 47 helpful votes
“When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat your olive trees, you shall not go over them again. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not strip it afterward. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 ESV / 45 helpful votes
He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Epypt.

Leviticus 19:33 ESV / 45 helpful votes
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.

Deuteronomy 1:16 ESV / 44 helpful votes
And I charged your judges at that time, ‘Hear the cases between your brothers, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the alien who is with him.

 

[Crabtownboy]

What the Bible says page 3

Leviticus 19:9-10 ESV / 44 helpful votes
“When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 27:17 ESV / 43 helpful votes
“‘Cursed be anyone who moves his neighbor's landmark.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

1 Peter 4:9 ESV / 41 helpful votes
Show hospitality to one another without grumbling.

Jeremiah 7:5-7 ESV / 41 helpful votes
“For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever.

Leviticus 19:18 ESV / 41 helpful votes
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Matthew 25:38 ESV / 39 helpful votes
And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

Ezekiel 47:23 ESV / 38 helpful votes
In whatever tribe the sojourner resides, there you shall assign him his inheritance, declares the Lord God.

Colossians 3:11 ESV / 37 helpful votes
Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 5:14 ESV / 37 helpful votes
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Duteronomy 31:12 ESV / 35 helpful votes
Assemble the people, men, women, and little ones, and the sojourner within your towns, that they may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God, and be careful to do all the words of this law,


Deuteronomy 24:19-22 ESV / 35 helpful votes
“When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. When you beat your olive trees, you shall not go over them again. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not strip it afterward. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt; therefore I command you to do this.

Deuteronomy 24:17-18 ESV / 35 helpful votes
“You shall not pervert the justice due to the sojourner or to the fatherless, or take a widow's garment in pledge, but you shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt and the Lordyour God redeemed you from there; therefore I command you to do this.


Luke 3:11 ESV / 34 helpful votes
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Matthew 25:43-44 ESV / 33 helpful votes
I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’


Numbers 15:15-16 ESV / 33 helpful votes
For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourner shall be alike before the Lord. One law and one rule shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”

Galatians 3:26-29 ESV / 32 helpful votes
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.


Deuteronomy 24:14-15 ESV / 29 helpful votes
“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns. You shall give him his wages on the same day, before the sun sets (for he is poor and counts on it), lest he cry against you to the Lord, and you be guilty of sin.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I disagree in regards to President Trump, his administration, or the government in general. Our nation is not the church.

I agree with the last part, if provisions are not made for these people to become citizens (without deportation). We have a responsibility because we have allowed these people to remain in our country for decades. Some are being threatened to be deported to a country they never knew. There are too many Christians spreading hatred in the name of nationalism rather than the love in the name of Christ.

The government is made up of people. People are responsible for their decisions and their decisions should not violate such clear commandments on how we should treat others. Nowhere does scripture exempt government from God's commandments.

Your argument would mean that abortion should not be opposed as it is government not the church. I do not believe you agree with that.

 

[JonC]

The government is made up of people. People are responsible for their decisions and their decisions should not violate such clear commandments on how we should treat others. Nowhere does scripture exempt government from God's commandments.

Your argument would mean that abortion should not be opposed as it is government not the church. I do not believe you agree with that.

No. My argument is that we have to stop expecting the world to act as if they are saved because Scripture teaches otherwise. Christ did not die for the kingdoms of this world but to usher in a new - and different - kingdom. Christians need to stop trying to solve Kingdom problems in worldly ways. The problem is not governments lacking Christian morals but Christians holding benign gospels.