Dake's Annotated Reference Bible

[rlvaughn]

All of Dake's work that I ever knew of was KJV. I didn't mean to imply that he adhered to something else.

Thanks. I was trying to understand the difference in the Assemblies of God liking the Bible, and the Church of God not, and thought that might have been the reason.

BTW, do you mean the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee? I thought Finis Dake was a member of and preacher in one of the Churches of God at one time or another.

Thanks.

 

[Reformed1689]

LOL, I have already stumbled on these two, and this is SOOO out of context!

The Jonah thing, at least where I read it, I think maybe in the NT when Jesus was talking about Jonah and coming back in 3 days, I think he said we do not know if Jonah was alive or not, and he said this in the midst of multiple dead people rising from the dead.

Acts 17:26 sends the reader to a LONG article at the back of the Bible that is an exhaustive list of segregated things, many in Leviticus, including segregation of seeds and all sorts of stuff that I had never thought about together. He does this with lists. He groups by topic and makes exhaustive lists. Lists and more lists and even more lists. The guy was probably a bit autistic and liked making lists when he was anxious, and did not look ahead 60 years to know which lists would no longer be PC.

This is all that comes up: articles that are quotes that are clearly out of context embedded in commentary that is untrue. The guy enjoys a little drama and makes over exhaustive lists and likes to flirt with ideas that might be possible. That would be better in a commentary than Bible notes: I agree. But the reviews are worse than anything that he is doing.

I would love to read an article that was being fair, but have not found one yet. Like I said, articles are not comparing his theories with those of other Study Bibles. I do not have access to articles behind the paywalls: is there any responsible information back there where we poor people are forbidden to access?

Not necessarily saying this is what you are doing, but it looks like you have already made up your mind and are just going to reject any negative comment about the work...

 

[Jerome]

Reviewed by Christianity Today in 1994:

"Dake's...a bizarre collection of controversial revelations, such as Jonah literally dying inside the whale"

LOL....The Jonah thing, at least where I read it, I think maybe in the NT when Jesus was talking about Jonah and coming back in 3 days, I think he said we do not know if Jonah was alive or not, and he said this in the midst of multiple dead people rising from the dead.

Sigh.

Dake's Annotated note e, Jonah 1:17

"Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah."

Dake: "Jonah was not miraculously kept alive; he died when thus swallowed up"

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Sigh.

Dake's Annotated note e, Jonah 1:17

"Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah."

Dake: "Jonah was not miraculously kept alive; he died when thus swallowed up"

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Thanks! Found it!

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Not necessarily saying this is what you are doing, but it looks like you have already made up your mind and are just going to reject any negative comment about the work...

You are wrong. I am looking for what Jerome just posted.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Thanks. I was trying to understand the difference in the Assemblies of God liking the Bible, and the Church of God not, and thought that might have been the reason.

BTW, do you mean the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee? I thought Finis Dake was a member of and preacher in one of the Churches of God at one time or another.

Thanks.

What is the difference between the AOG and COG concerning the KJV? This is the big picture stuff that I want to know about. Not just to decide whether I want to use any part of the Dake Bible, but to understand more of what I stumbled into. I am more curious about what is beneath the articles than the articles.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Thank you everyone that took the time to respond. Directly and indirectly in this thread, and in multiple other threads, and in my real life, and in my personal devotional time, my questions have been answered. Thank you.

 

[George Antonios]

Great for lists.

 

[George Antonios]

"a bizarre collection of controversial revelations, such as Jonah literally dying inside the whale"

Um, Dake has some wild stuff, but Jonah dying in the fish is not bizarre at all.
Not here to debate that point now, but just saying.

 

[George Antonios]

• "perhaps Dake’s most divisive precept can be found in notes on Acts 17:26, where he promotes racism—giving '30 reasons for segregation'. He states, in part, that all nations will remain segregated from one another in their own parts of heaven, will not be allowed to worship together, and that God wills all races to be as he made them, each reproducing after his own kind. 'Kind means type and color, or He would have kept them all alike to begin with', Dake writes."

That is racist in the technical sense of the term, not in the moral sense of the term: it doesn't mean Dake hated people of other races and thought his own superior.

 

[Reformed1689]

Um, Dake has some wild stuff, but Jonah dying in the fish is not bizarre at all.
Not here to debate that point now, but just saying.

There is no indication from the text that he died.

 

[Jerome]

Reviewed by Christianity Today in 1994:

"...perhaps Dake’s most divisive precept can be found in notes on Acts 17:26, where he promotes racism

LOL....Acts 17:26 sends the reader to a LONG article at the back of the Bible that is an exhaustive list of segregated things, many in Leviticus, including segregation of seeds and all sorts of stuff that I had never thought about together. He does this with lists. He groups by topic and makes exhaustive lists. Lists and more lists and even more lists. The guy was probably a bit autistic and liked making lists when he was anxious

Dake's "30 reasons for segregation of races", found in his notes at the end of Acts:

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Dake's "30 reasons for segregation of races", found in his notes at the end of Acts:
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Is that the old 4 column or the new 3 column? I cannot find that in anything that I have access to. I had access to a pdf 4 column at archive.org because of my print disability, but I returned it.

 

[rlvaughn]

What is the difference between the AOG and COG concerning the KJV? This is the big picture stuff that I want to know about. Not just to decide whether I want to use any part of the Dake Bible, but to understand more of what I stumbled into. I am more curious about what is beneath the articles than the articles.

This Church of God group (Cleveland, TN: there are some unrelated groups that are also called "Church of God") traces their roots to R. G. Spurling and his father Richard Spurling in Eastern Tennessee. They were Missionary Baptist preachers who desired greater ecumenical fellowship with other churches than was generally acceptable among the Baptists of their area. I am not sure they were even pentecostal. A. J. Tomlinson came among these people later and brought them organization. He may not have initially been pentecostal, but would become so under the expanding influence of the Azusa Street Revival. There are numerous splits from this group that also use the name Church of God, and I find them hard to understand and keep up with. I am not sure in what way any of these groups relate to the KJV, other than knowing the book store of Church of God (International, I think they call it) sells The Bible: Authorized King James Version Vindicated by Victor L. Emerson (which is probably a KJVO book).

The Assemblies of God was founded in Hot Springs, Arkansas in 1914, and I think they have always been pentecostal. They may generally prefer King James's Bible, but based on some statements I found on their web site, they do not seem to oppose using other Bible versions.

 

[Yeshua1]

Back in the old days when I used to frequent Bible book stores I would see the Dake's Reference Bible and think it looked very interesting. Money was tight, and I figured Dake was partly heretical, so I never got up the courage to spend my hard-earned wages on it. Do you have any evidence of that?

Yes
See especially his influence section
History Of Dake And His Heretical Teachings | The Dake Bible

 

[rlvaughn]

dakes study notes are pretty much the very foundation those such as hagin and Copeland and the ilk built their ministries upon!

Yes
See especially his influence section
History Of Dake And His Heretical Teachings | The Dake Bible

So this?

Hank Hanegraaff believes that Kenneth Copeland and some other faith teachers may also have learned some of their teachings on healing from Dake.

 

[Yeshua1]

Soooo... Dake's Bible is pretty interesting.

Has anyone been able to use this Bible as their primary Bible, without getting all hung up on issues that they don't agree with? Or does anyone agree with most or all of the notes?

Pros:

1. It comes in large print with a modern crisp font (my eyes are too weak for regular print and light text)
2. It has a lot of notes, and the lists are interesting
3. Concordance
4. Greek and Hebrew

Cons: I'll let other people have the fun of listing those

Dispensations: The Dispensation of Grace starts in Matthew 3, which sounds more reformed than dispensational. Does anyone know of other Matthew 3 dispensationalists?

As I have shared before, my life is pretty mobile, and I usually have to leave most of my books behind. I have learned that when flying, no matter how large a Bible I am holding in my arms, it usually is not counted towards either my "purse" or "carry on". Last time I flew, thanks to social distancing, I had the whole row to myself and used my Bible as a pillow. I know my time here is limited. I am considering the idea of attempting to use a Large print Dake as my travel Bible on the next hop.

If you think the Dake Bible is horrible, what would you do with it if it were all you had for a couple months, besides a cell phone? Yeah, yeah, use it as firewood. LOL. But seriously. Unless you think it is so bad that it does not include the word of God so would be a sin to read it, what would you do with it?

Imagine you were in solitary confinement at a prison and could only have a single Bible to "practice your religion" and had nothing else except the trash from your meal and your clothes and toiletries to amuse yourself. I have known people in this situation that read the Bible through multiple times, and wanted the biggest Bible possible. Would you choose a Dake over a Bible with no study notes or fewer study notes?

How many people do you think consult a Dake Bible, but pretend they got the information elsewhere or thought it up themselves, rather than be transparent about where they got it?

Should be retitled Heresy bible!
www.equip.org/article/dakes-dangerous-doctrine/

 

[Yeshua1]

So this?

Very comprehensive article here!
www.earntheology.com/dake_bible/

 

[Yeshua1]

First, I am still trying to get the big picture of where Dake falls in the all of Christendom. I don't believe that Dake is only read by those that are admitting that they read Dake.

I do want to eventually discuss details. I am curious about a lot of things, including those things beyond what people profess in public and what is in fashion.

He denied many of the foundations Christian doctrines, as had a faulty view on the trinity, and that Jesus was not God incarnate, but baptized with Holy Spirit at baptism and then was "adopted" as God!

 

[Yeshua1]

I am a newbie to this accusation. I went onto the websites of the people that are accused of using the Dake Bible and found nothing to support that. Even those men do not profess to use a Dake Bible.

A lot of Dake Bibles are bought. Who is buying all these Bibles, if even the accused do not admit to using them?

Many charismatics!