David Wilkerson: An Urgent Message

[Johnv]

I agree that we are NO WHERE near as bad as British TV nor others, and likewise agree that it should be of concern, but it's no where in the realm of Wilkerson's so-called prediction.

BTW, scripture doesn't condemn nudity outright. It does in specific instances, but not as an absolute in all situations, such as for purposes of idolatry, lusting, or when the intent is to bring attention to shame. But there are also instances of it being appropriate, such as when Saul stripped off his robes and also prophesied in Samuel's presence, or when King David dances nude within sight of slave girls when the Ark of the Covenant arrives. Micah records an instance of going about barefoot and naked while mourning. Isaish is commanded by God to strip naked in ch20. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating general nudity, I'm simply wondering if we're overly concerned with it.

 

[Revmitchell]

More theological conservatism I see.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I place David Wilkerson's prophesy right up there with the Mayan end of the world as we know it senario on dec 21, 2012. Its a shame. This one of the many reasons I have problems with Pentecostals. The Montanist had false prophesy as well. And if Wilkerson's prophesy does not come true how should we treat it? The Torah says to put to death a false prophet. Now, Jesus has given us grace but why should we so easily overlook such a thing. No matter how general and non - specific it is. Its kind of like the rolling end times predictions that I keep hearing. The vague time frames involved with common issues for certain destruction shows how disingenous it is. In other words how I interpret the meaning of this "prophesy" is this: " If something bad happens then I can say I told you so and prophesied it. If the status quo remains I can say it isn't time. " I admired the man for witnessing to people like Nicky Cruz. But this is beyond the pale no matter how good the intent is.

 

[Allan]

I place David Wilkerson's prophesy right up there with the Mayan end of the world as we know it senario on dec 21, 2012. Its a shame. This one of the many reasons I have problems with Pentecostals. The Montanist had false prophesy as well. And if Wilkerson's prophesy does not come true how should we treat it? The Torah says to put to death a false prophet. Now, Jesus has given us grace but why should we so easily overlook such a thing. No matter how general and non - specific it is. Its kind of like the rolling end times predictions that I keep hearing. The vague time frames involved with common issues for certain destruction shows how disingenous it is. In other words how I interpret the meaning of this "prophesy" is this: " If something bad happens then I can say I told you so and prophesied it. If the status quo remains I can say it isn't time. " I admired the man for witnessing to people like Nicky Cruz. But this is beyond the pale no matter how good the intent is.

Well what does scripture say about false prophets and those who presume to declare they speak for God about things to come to pass? You'll find that God does not play games with such people and nor is the church to. They are not allowed to be wrong once, not once.

What is most interesting about biblical prophesy verses pagan, is that biblical prophesy is a forth-telling (a specific narritive of things to come) and pagan prophesy is a foreteilling (predictions of possible things that may occur and not necessarily as stated).

 

[Johnv]

More theological conservatism I see.

interesting statement. I thought your view of theological conservatism was to take the bible literally. Well, the bible literally states that nudity is permitted in certain cases. To deny that is to be a theological liberal, at least according to your definition of liberal vs conservative. Good luck with that.

I place David Wilkerson's prophesy right up there with the Mayan end of the world as we know it

I was thinking the same thing.

The Torah says to put to death a false prophet.

I'm not sure, but I believe that passage is referring to the context of worshipping false idols. Wilkerson, albeit in error on this topic, is by no means an idolater.

Well what does scripture say about false prophets and those who presume to declare they speak for God about things to come to pass? You'll find that God does not play games with such people and nor is the church to. They are not allowed to be wrong once, not once.

I believe you are correct on that. In the very least, such a person should acknowlege they were in error before attempting to so do again. Despite that, we have an abundance of past false propets, such as Hal Lindsey, whose incorrect predictions are too numerous to list. Yet he still enjoys a huge audience among Christians today, many of them Baptists.

*rubs eyes and rereads the post again*

Johnv? Is that really you?

It is. I'm quite humbled that people remember me.

 

[Allan]

I believe you are correct on that. In the very least, such a person should acknowlege they were in error before attempting to so do again.

Actaully in the OT they were to be killed as Duet 13:5 and 9 illistrate if these men called for the people to go after other gods. And in the OT the other false prophets were marked as liars and decievers. This is carried over into the NT in which false prophets are equated with the unsaved, wicked, and ungodly:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

If they presume to speak a message from God, they must be exact at all times and if not they are to be dealt with in accordance with one who is in sin. However, if they were in fact wrong in their prophesy they have disqualified themselves from that position. One chance is all you get.

 

[Aaron]

King David dances nude within sight of slave girls when the Ark of the Covenant arrives.

You need to read that narrative again. David never danced naked.

 

[Johnv]

Doh! You're correct. That darn loincloth!!!

 

[alatide]

They are discussing the same thing on another site I just joined with a friend. I thought this was a very balanced response from a member:

Saints, I am not an alarmist, but yesterday David Wilkerson of Times Square Church issued a warning statement that he aske be given to all Christians.

For those of you who do not know him or his work, he was the man who wrote The Cross and the Switchblade, his story about ministering to street gangs in NYC many years ago. He is a man of God and now is pastor of Times Square Church. His warning is that soon, very soon there will be an outbreak of civil war, rioting, fires and violence in most every city in America, and in many parts of the world. He warns us to make sure our hearts are prepared and on the physical side, to make sure we have at least a months worth of dry food stored up if God so leads.

I say this not to scare any. Is it true? We shall see. BUT, either way, we are facing this scenario sooner or later, and I do believe it is sooner. We as Christians may think we will breeze right thru any minor tribulation but frankly I doubt it. A faith built on our strength is not enough to get us through tough times. It is time we get down on our knees and really examine the depths of our faith. Talking a good talk about trusting God is not so easy if in reality we have been trusting ourselves. Will we really be as strong in faith if we are out on the street with our families and no way to support them? I pray we are. I urge all of you who call upon the name of the Lord to make sure your heart is His, 100% and that you are truly leaning upon Him for strength and salvation no matter what we have to endure until He comes. To those who want to hide their heads in the sand and "wish it away", I want to just remind you of Lot's wife. This is not our home.

If this is a "false alarm", I do not apologize. Consider it a fire drill, preceding the real thing. Things will change over the next 3-6 months like you would never have believed.

Here is a link with his press release. Do with it what you will but please take time to read it. I know this man of God and he does not do things like this. I have a feeling he has heard from the Lord. You be the judge. May we all grow up into him, and quickly.


Here is Dave Wilkerson on false manifestations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpW6Xctg8Q

The end times has never been a concern for me. The need to continually test our faith is always there. I could walk out of this building and be hit by a bus. The result to me personally is the same. I would immediately be facing judgment. The real question is whether we are ready to do that right now, not whether the tribulation is coming. I can handle war and civil strife in this world. I cannot handle the prospect of spending all of eternity separated from God.

 

[Aaron]

Doh! You're correct. That darn loincloth!!!

Oops! Read it again.

 

[Grasshopper]

Bumped in honor of Harold Camping.

 

[righteousdude2]

Did He Make This Prediction While A Guest on....

...a well known Christian television network that claims to be reaching the world with the Gospel?

It sound like something I've heard from many guest preachers on that network over the years, and it won't be the last time these highly visible comments are made in the name of "ratings!"

We all know that there is coming a day when events will make many tremble! We just don't happen to have a time frame. Clearer heads and hearts must continue to prevail!

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type::type:

 

[Tom Butler]

Glad you bumped it, Grasshopper.

It has not been more than two years since David Wilkerson's prophecy. Which calamity is the one he was talking about?

About the Camping prophecy, didn't he say that only a small number of people would be raptured? I'm a bit worried. Everybody I know is still here. Did we all get left behind?

 

[righteousdude2]

So, You Are Still Here?

Glad you bumped it, Grasshopper.

It has not been more than two years since David Wilkerson's prophecy. Which calamity is the one he was talking about?

About the Camping prophecy, didn't he say that only a small number of people would be raptured? I'm a bit worried. Everybody I know is still here. Did we all get left behind?

On a post I put up, you wished us all well from up there. Glad you came back down to earth (with the rest of us!) :laugh: