Death penalty debate fueled by 'bad Ohio execution' and firing squad legislation

[Gina B]

Ah, but I am pro life and have said so often. Quite dishonest of you to say that I am something that I am not.

I am against abortion and against capital punishment ... that is pro-life.

You, however, are selective. Against abortion, but for killing them later. That is hypocritical ... especially as you would be approving the execution of some that would be proven innocent later.

How is it hypocritical? The death penalty is a life for a life. They have taken a life, and that is a punishment. A baby has not taken a life.

I agree about innocent people. If there is doubt, or the system that said they are guilty is corrupt, the death penalty should not be used.

However, as noted before, there are plenty of times when there is not doubt. Just excuses. (I was made to eat my vegetables when I was 4 and now I have anger issues and get stabby)

 

[Crabtownboy]

How is it hypocritical? The death penalty is a life for a life. They have taken a life, and that is a punishment. A baby has not taken a life.

I agree about innocent people. If there is doubt, or the system that said they are guilty is corrupt, the death penalty should not be used.

However, as noted before, there are plenty of times when there is not doubt. Just excuses. (I was made to eat my vegetables when I was 4 and now I have anger issues and get stabby)

I have not suggested that those who are guilty be set free. I am saying that we now know from DNA testing and the number of people set free as they were found innocent shows there are people on death row who are innocent. Thus, there should be no capital punishment. Life in prison with no chance of parole is sufficient.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Because for crabby it is just an excuse. He would want to end the death penalty even if there were no problems at all ever.

Not sure that is true Rev. However, we both know there will never be a time when there is absolutely no doubt.

How many innocents are you willing to sacrifice?

 

[Gina B]

I have not suggested that those who are guilty be set free. I am saying that we now know from DNA testing and the number of people set free as they were found innocent shows there are people on death row who are innocent. Thus, there should be no capital punishment. Life in prison with no chance of parole is sufficient.

Sorry, but I don't see it that way. Take a case where a life-style criminals is running from officers, turns around, shoots and kills an officer. Cut and dried, he did it, dash cam shows it, witnesses saw it.

Why do we keep him/her alive in a cage? It seems the only hope someone given a life sentence vs a death sentence has is that they'll escape or get it overturned or somehow get out early. Look at the suicide rates of death row inmates.

It just doesn't seem the nice thing to do, at least not when there's doubt.

Swift carrying out when no doubt...and no sitting there letting appeals drag on for 10, 20, 30 years when there is doubt. Have you followed Ryan Ferguson's story? That was wild. Talk about corruption...which is why I won't shut up about corruption in the system. Those kinds of stories.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Not only was it illogical, it was totally off topic.
I was saying we should be sure no innocent life is taken.
You talk about hiding in your house.

I ask you again, how many executions of innocents is acceptable in your belief system?

You're addressing the wrong person. just-want-peace posted the original to which you replied. I didn't say anything about my house.

You want to debate things and you can't even keep straight in your head who you're supposed to be talking to? Time for find something else to do, CTB, this is over your head.

 

[Gina B]

You're addressing the wrong person. just-want-peace posted the original to which you replied. I didn't say anything about my house.

You want to debate things and you can't even keep straight in your head who you're supposed to be talking to? Time for find something else to do, CTB, this is over your head.

Sometimes you talk to people who aren't even there on the thread, so what are you getting onto him about? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Sorry, but I don't see it that way. Take a case where a life-style criminals is running from officers, turns around, shoots and kills an officer. Cut and dried, he did it, dash cam shows it, witnesses saw it.

Why do we keep him/her alive in a cage? It seems the only hope someone given a life sentence vs a death sentence has is that they'll escape or get it overturned or somehow get out early. Look at the suicide rates of death row inmates.

It just doesn't seem the nice thing to do, at least not when there's doubt.

Swift carrying out when no doubt...and no sitting there letting appeals drag on for 10, 20, 30 years when there is doubt. Have you followed Ryan Ferguson's story? That was wild. Talk about corruption...which is why I won't shut up about corruption in the system. Those kinds of stories.

Back to my question. How many innocent people are you willing to sacrifice to be sure you get a guilty person?

 

[Gina B]

Back to my question. How many innocent people are you willing to sacrifice to be sure you get a guilty person?

None. I'm just saying that there are clear cut cases where the person is guilty.

There have been cases where a person calls the crime in themselves and they're still sitting there holding the gun. "I just shot my wife..."

It happens.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Back to my question. How many innocent people are you willing to sacrifice to be sure you get a guilty person?

8 innocents (maybe) in how many years compared to 12,000 in 4 years. Yeah, I'm OK with that.

 

[Crabtownboy]

8 innocents (maybe) in how many years compared to 12,000 in 4 years. Yeah, I'm OK with that.

Thanks for an honest reply Woody. Many have ignored the question or danced around it.

I disagree with you, but I do appreciate you answering.

 

[Crabtownboy]

None. I'm just saying that there are clear cut cases where the person is guilty.

There have been cases where a person calls the crime in themselves and they're still sitting there holding the gun. "I just shot my wife..."

It happens.

I have never disagreed with what you said about those guilty. However, life in prison without chance of parole is still a death sentence ... and within our justice system cheaper in the long run than capital punishment.

 

[church mouse guy]

I have never disagreed with what you said about those guilty. However, life in prison without chance of parole is still a death sentence ... and within our justice system cheaper in the long run than capital punishment.

What you are saying is not only against Scripture but also against common knowledge.

1. Life in prison is not a death sentence. You can get yor 3 hots and a cot and take your law degree from Indiana University and bother the court system the rest of your life about the injustice done you.

2. The death penalty would be much cheaper if laws were amended to prevent endless appeals.

3. By ignoring Scripture, you are saying that you think that you know better and you do not care to defend the image of God. In your case, people are saying that you also approve of abortion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

What you are saying is not only against Scripture but also against common knowledge.

1. Life in prison is not a death sentence. You can get yor 3 hots and a cot and take your law degree from Indiana University and bother the court system the rest of your life about the injustice done you.

2. The death penalty would be much cheaper if laws were amended to prevent endless appeals.

3. By ignoring Scripture, you are saying that you think that you know better and you do not care to defend the image of God. In your case, people are saying that you also approve of abortion.

How man executions of innocent people are acceptable to you?

Can you show me scripture saying it is all right to execute innocent people?

 

[church mouse guy]

How man executions of innocent people are acceptable to you?

Can you show me scripture saying it is all right to execute innocent people?

You keep repeating yourself with the red herring about innocent people. Yesterday a man walked into a classroom in Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, and murdered the teaching assistant. There were plenty of witnesses and, assuming the man is sane, you want him to get away with murder!

What makes you think that you are better than Scripture?

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

 

[Revmitchell]

You keep repeating yourself with the red herring about innocent people. Yesterday a man walked into a classroom in Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, and murdered the teaching assistant. There were plenty of witnesses and, assuming the man is sane, you want him to get away with murder!

What makes you think that you are better than Scripture?

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

You are wasting your breath. Crabby would be against the death penalty even if no innocent people were effected.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You keep repeating yourself with the red herring about innocent people. Yesterday a man walked into a classroom in Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, and murdered the teaching assistant. There were plenty of witnesses and, assuming the man is sane, you want him to get away with murder!

What makes you think that you are better than Scripture?

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Show me scripture that says it is all right to execute innocent people.

With your argument you cannot be against abortion.

 

[church mouse guy]

Show me scripture that says it is all right to execute innocent people.

With your argument you cannot be against abortion.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

How in your mind does this command to execute murderers translate into murdering babies?

 

[webdog]

How man executions of innocent people are acceptable to you?

Can you show me scripture saying it is all right to execute innocent people?

I recall God commanding the killing of entire nations including 'innocent' women and children after the exodus.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I recall God commanding the killing of entire nations including 'innocent' women and children after the exodus.

I do not see that as proof that it is Christ-like to kill innocent prisoners. Do you.

Killing entire nations surely included killing the unborn. So you cannot be pro-life if you hold to what you indicate.

Show me any verse where Jesus says it is all right to kill innocent prisoners.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

That person is not innocent.

How in your mind does this command to execute murderers translate into murdering babies?

If you defend capital punishment, including possible innocent people, you cannot be against abortion.

I am against both.