Death Penalty for Children?

You have this somewhat reversed C4K. All government is ordained of God.
Reminder:
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

No I am not, I am just drawing to your attention the fact that God did so and asking if you think God perpetrated evil when He did.

Which BTW C4K you did not answer.

Yes.

Do they demand it? No.

HankD

 

Interesting!

 

OK, I agree that it might not be right for me to get involved in legislation to allow it, but I would say, yes the state has that right because the theocracy of Israel whose constitution was written by God allowed and even commanded it.

The age of the child is not mentioned but it is probably older than 8 years old because :
Deuteronomy 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

Also it requires the whole population of the males of the city (probably by consensus):

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Nonetheless it is there in the Word of God.

Jesus told Pontius Pilate:
10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above

C4K the phrase "God's slavery" IMO is an equivocation on your part. There is no such thing as "God's slavery" apart from agape love.

God certainly did perpetuate slavery just as He did divorce which he hates according to the full council of God.

Just as he allowed divorce because of "hardness of heart", so also slavery. In fact the only case against slavery even in the NT is perhaps the Book of Philemon.

It is evident that God hates slavery because of the Law of Jubilee.

We may not particulary like the severity of God and how He deals with flesh (and yes even His own children) but nonetheless it is there in the Word of God.

Personally, I don't see any point in prolonging this seeming disagreement and risking an occassion of the flesh (not from us of course! ).

You can have the last word to answer and I will bow out.

HankD

 

If the child's sin is reason enough for you to put him to death, why would the sin of rape (or incest) resulting in a pregnancy not be erased (by a legal first trimester abortion)?

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]The unborn baby did not commit rape or incest. The man (or boy) who commmited the rape / incest is the one who committed the crime and should be executed, IMO. That was a very weak argument. I would have expected a lot more from you.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Nothing justifies putting a child to death, whether he is a murderer or whether he is in the womb. Both are minors below a certain age (which varies from State to State).

What about a mother who is in danger of dying because of the fetus she is carrying. There are such medical examples which justify abortion when the mother's health is in danger. If abortion is forbidden and the mother dies, is the fetus responsible for its mother's death and should it be prosecuted for murder after it is born?

Corinne

 

There are virtually no examples of this! Instead of aborting a baby, the child is delivered either vaginally or by c-section and every attempt is made to save the life of the child.

 

If the child's sin is reason enough for you to put him to death, why would the sin of rape (or incest) resulting in a pregnancy not be erased (by a legal first trimester abortion)?

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]The unborn baby did not commit rape or incest. The man (or boy) who commmited the rape / incest is the one who committed the crime and should be executed, IMO. That was a very weak argument. I would have expected a lot more from you.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Nothing justifies putting a child to death, whether he is a murderer or whether he is in the womb. Both are minors below a certain age (which varies from State to State).

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]That is your opinion. You are entitled to it, but I disagree. If someone committs murder and is convicted, they should be executes regardless of their age.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Corrine, let put forth an example.

A husband, wife, and their little baby are in a car. The car goes out of control and into a river. The husband is free and only has time to rescue one other person before the car goes under water.

Should he rescue his wife or should he rescue their baby? I don't know if you are a mother, but what would you say? Rescue yourself or rescue your child?

Anyone who has ever had an abortion should be 'fixed' so they can never have children. They obviously do not care about their children or they would never consider killing them, even to save their own life.

 

We know from the bible that life begins long before final birth. Consider the story in related to:

John the Baptist was a cognizant human being before he was born. God "breathed" life into him at the moment of his conception and he grew from that point forward.

There is no "right" for a mother, a father, a doctor, or a judge to terminate the life of an unborn child. An act of abortion for the convenience of the parent or parents is a cold blooded murder, for the health or welfare of the mother it is a selfish choice of one life over another consummated by a murder, and for the alleged undoing of another sin such as rape or incest it is an even worse sin.

I've heard the arguments of "what would I do if I had to choose between person A and person B". Such arguments are designed to confuse the issue and to promote one side or the other by creating a dreadful situation with no apparent answer. It reminds me of:

The situation may indeed arise wherein a person must act quickly and decisively in favor or person A or person B but, at that instant, they are not making a choice to kill one rather than the other but, instead, are acting to save one with great hopes of also saving the other. Only God could be our rightful guide in such a situation and to Him we should leave the choices that need be made thinking not of ourselves but of what He desires.

Parents should humbly bear the burden of bringing up the children that God has given them regardless of the circumstances. That burden is insignificant to all the suffering endured upon this earth by so many and, indeed, far far less than that which our Lord took on Himself on our behalf.

Patrick