Death Penalty: My view

[canadyjd]

Your opinion and teaching are unbiblical. I have already shown that there is no command from God for Christians to show mercy instead of supporting the death penalty.

Christians who resist or seek to undermine the government's divinely ordained righteous exaction of the death penalty oppose God and will reap the consequences.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Of all people, Christians should be the foremost to uphold and support their government when they righteously do what God has appointed them to do when they execute His wrath on those who do evil.

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, the government put Christian to death for being Christian. That was the legal position of the government.

During the time of the tribulation, Christians will again be persecuted to the death. But not all professing Christians will suffer that fate. Some will fall away. They will turn on the brethren, betraying them to the death penalty of the government.

Undoubtably, those that now support the death penalty will embrace the government for their righteous condemnation to the death of Christians.

Of all people, Christians should realize that supporting the death penalty is laying the foundation for the condemnation and death of Christians during the reign of the anti-Christ.

If I have to stand before God one day and “reap the consequences” of opposing the death penalty by following the example of Jesus to show mercy, I think I’ll be just fine.

On the other hand, those that ignore the commands of our Lord Jesus, embrace the government and their biased exaction of the death penalty, refuse to show mercy as we have been shown mercy… well they may have some explaining to do.

peace to you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, the government put Christian to death for being Christian. That was the legal position of the government.

During the time of the tribulation, Christians will again be persecuted to the death. But not all professing Christians will suffer that fate. Some will fall away. They will turn on the brethren, betraying them to the death penalty of the government.

Undoubtably, those that now support the death penalty will embrace the government for their righteous condemnation to the death of Christians.

Of all people, Christians should realize that supporting the death penalty is laying the foundation for the condemnation and death of Christians during the reign of the anti-Christ.

If I have to stand before God one day and “reap the consequences” of opposing the death penalty by following the example of Jesus to show mercy, I think I’ll be just fine.

On the other hand, those that ignore the commands of our Lord Jesus, embrace the government and their biased exaction of the death penalty, refuse to show mercy as we have been shown mercy… well they may have some explaining to do.

peace to you

There is already a death penalty for innocents in America—euphemistically called "choice." There is no reason to think that such a corrupt government or its people would need further incentive to impose a death penalty on those believing in God, if that's what they want.

Extending a death penalty for real crimes to thought crimes has no logic to it whatsoever. If someone imagines it does, they would need no logical reason to resurrect a dead death penalty. They will be creative enough to invent any excuse, or dull enough to accept it.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, the government put Christian to death for being Christian. That was the legal position of the government.

During the time of the tribulation, Christians will again be persecuted to the death. But not all professing Christians will suffer that fate. Some will fall away. They will turn on the brethren, betraying them to the death penalty of the government.

Undoubtably, those that now support the death penalty will embrace the government for their righteous condemnation to the death of Christians.

Of all people, Christians should realize that supporting the death penalty is laying the foundation for the condemnation and death of Christians during the reign of the anti-Christ.

If I have to stand before God one day and “reap the consequences” of opposing the death penalty by following the example of Jesus to show mercy, I think I’ll be just fine.

On the other hand, those that ignore the commands of our Lord Jesus, embrace the government and their biased exaction of the death penalty, refuse to show mercy as we have been shown mercy… well they may have some explaining to do.

peace to you

Wow. It is time to discontinue this conversation with you. Something is wrong with your spirit since you are asserting that Christians will support the unrighteous putting to death of anyone. May God have mercy on you.

[To clarify this message, I am not saying that others should not continue discussing it or anything like that. I am only saying that I am not going to continue to converse with you any longer about this subject.]

 

[JonC]

There is already a death penalty for innocents in America—euphemistically called "choice."

Good point. Abortion and the "death penalty" are very similar ("peas in a pod").

 

[Salty]

Wow. It is time to discontinue this conversation with you. Something is wrong with your spirit since you are asserting that Christians will support the unrighteous putting to death of anyone. May God have mercy on you.

That is your opinion - lets see how this poll works out -- The Poll about the Death Penalty -

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

That is your opinion - lets see how this poll works out -- The Poll about the Death Penalty -

I only meant that it was time for me to stop conversing with him about this subject. I was not and am not saying that others should not continue discussing the subject or anything like that.

 

[Salty]

I only meant that it was time for me to stop conversing with him about this subject. I was not and am not saying that others should not continue discussing the subject or anything like that.

This thread will be closing soon as it is close to the 130 count.

 

[canadyjd]

Wow. It is time to discontinue this conversation with you. Something is wrong with your spirit since you are asserting that Christians will support the unrighteous putting to death of anyone. May God have mercy on you.

[To clarify this message, I am not saying that others should not continue discussing it or anything like that. I am only saying that I am not going to continue to converse with you any longer about this subject.]

My “spirit” is just fine thank you. However, I am always glad to receive mercy from God.

Any honest look at the way the death penalty is implemented in this country, not even mentioning other countries, will see unrighteousness in the process.

As far as Professing Christians betraying the brethren during the time of tribulation, Jesus said this would happen.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Since the thread will be closed soon, I want thank everyone who contributed.

It has been a thoughtful discussion, focused on the meaning of scripture and application in our lives.

Even though we didn’t always agree, it has been a civil discussion on a very tough subject.

Thanks again

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

This thread will be closing soon as it is close to the 130 count.

130 it is

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I never said anything about giving pedophiles “more opportunity” to molest children. that is an outrageous lie.

Start a thread about appropriate sentences for pedophiles if you want. This thread is about the death penalty.

And I’m not confused. You advocated kidnapping, torture, mutilation and murder in post #21. You said it. Own it, or apologize.

peace to you

Apologize to you …. Ah no—- death penalty…why yes and anything else is just liberal ungodly malarkey. And I am an advocate of eye for eye justice…no problems there In fact, more of it is a definite deterrent to initial violence.

 

[canadyjd]

Apologize to you …. Ah no—- death penalty…why yes and anything else is just liberal ungodly malarkey. And I am an advocate of eye for eye justice…no problems there In fact, more of it is a definite deterrent to initial violence.

If you are an advocate for an “eye for an eye” justice, you would not demand the death penalty for pedophiles unless they killed their victims.

Referring to the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ as “ungodly liberal malarkey” is a shameful attitude for a Christian to have.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your opinion and teaching are unbiblical. I have already shown that there is no command from God for Christians to show mercy instead of supporting the death penalty.

Christians who resist or seek to undermine the government's divinely ordained righteous exaction of the death penalty oppose God and will reap the consequences.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Of all people, Christians should be the foremost to uphold and support their government when they righteously do what God has appointed them to do when they execute His wrath on those who do evil.

You need to tell that to the New Jersey government because of their wanton disregard for scriptural principals. So what happens when governments ignore biblical principals in favor of weeny liberal socialist stances-and what responsibility do the Christian citizens have to insure that it’s being carried out?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If you are an advocate for an “eye for an eye” justice, you would not demand the death penalty for pedophiles unless they killed their victims.

Referring to the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ as “ungodly liberal malarkey” is a shameful attitude for a Christian to have.

peace to you

If you harm an innocent child it would be better if your drown with a millstone tied around your neck…that’s the death penalty and it’s a good way to eliminate perverts. It’s not shameful to exact proper punishment to those who destroy the lives of kids. What is shameful is not punishing them or giving these perverts another opportunity to repeat their crimes at another time and that’s what you advocate.

 

[canadyjd]

If you harm an innocent child it would be better if your drown with a millstone tied around your neck…that’s the death penalty and it’s a good way to eliminate perverts. It’s not shameful to exact proper punishment to those who destroy the lives of kids. What is shameful is not punishing them or giving these perverts another opportunity to repeat their crimes at another time and that’s what you advocate.

We all deserve death.

Some have received mercy from God, instead. We are to follow that example.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[Salty]

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

We all deserve death.

Some have received mercy from God, instead. We are to follow that example.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

I don’t hand out mercy, that’s Gods prerogative….but earthly men could exact court mandated punishment which should include the death penalty in specific situations.I’m for extending it to pedofiles since they also destroy lives as well as the child’s soul.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, the government put Christian to death for being Christian. That was the legal position of the government.

During the time of the tribulation, Christians will again be persecuted to the death. But not all professing Christians will suffer that fate. Some will fall away. They will turn on the brethren, betraying them to the death penalty of the government.

Undoubtably, those that now support the death penalty will embrace the government for their righteous condemnation to the death of Christians.

Of all people, Christians should realize that supporting the death penalty is laying the foundation for the condemnation and death of Christians during the reign of the anti-Christ.

If I have to stand before God one day and “reap the consequences” of opposing the death penalty by following the example of Jesus to show mercy, I think I’ll be just fine.

On the other hand, those that ignore the commands of our Lord Jesus, embrace the government and their biased exaction of the death penalty, refuse to show mercy as we have been shown mercy… well they may have some explaining to do.

peace to you

Oh really… then who selected the government to be the court and magistrate over people’s lives?

BTW, if Christians are deterred from using the death penalty as a legitimate means of doling out punishment because the Anti- Christ will use it against us, well I got news for you that evil spirit already got your number and he will delight in that. But we got Christ so why be afraid! In fact, I can feel the evil one manipulating us with fear already. What do we have to be fearful of…we are to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven! Glory Glory Glory

 

[canadyjd]

I don’t hand out mercy, that’s Gods prerogative….but earthly men could exact court mandated punishment which should include the death penalty in specific situations.I’m for extending it to pedofiles since they also destroy lives as well as the child’s soul.

You don’t, but you should. We are commanded by God to show mercy as God has shown mercy to us.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Oh really… then who selected the government to be the court and magistrate over people’s lives?

BTW, if Christians are deterred from using the death penalty as a legitimate means of doling out punishment because the Anti- Christ will use it against us, well I got news for you that evil spirit already got your number and he will delight in that. But we got Christ so why be afraid! In fact, I can feel the evil one manipulating us with fear already. What do we have to be fearful of…we are to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven! Glory Glory Glory

Christians should be deterred from using the death penalty because God has commanded us to show mercy toward the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

I never said I feared being persecuted during the tribulation. That’s not the reason I’m against the death penalty.

I see the evil one manipulating Christians to embrace very worldly ideas; like kidnapping, torture, mutilation, murder and the death penalty. And reject the command of God to show mercy.

It is shameful, some of the things that have been advocated on this thread. Far beyond simple support for the DP. To have Christians speak in such a manner must delight the evil one.

peace to you