Bob consider these things:
He provided the "Atoning Sacrifice" 1John 2:1 (NIV) for "OUR sins and not for OUR sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" at the cross through the substitutionary atoning sacrifice of Christ in our behalf.
Bob, Your concept of forgiveness is so confused. You take many verses about forgiveness and string them together without regard to context. First ask yourself these questions when considering a verse on forgiveness:
1.Was the forgiveness directed to God?
2.Was the forgiveness directed toward man?
3.Was the forgiveness being asked for by a Christian?
4.Was the forgiveness being asked for by an unsaved person?
Each of these makes a difference. They provide a different context. You ignore these contexts. Plus you ignore the context of a parable, where doctrine cannot be determined but only illustrated. This is another flaw in your presentation.
What does 1John 2:1 say:
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
--Note: It is written by a Christian (John) to Christians. The subject is the Christian’s walk with God, not salvation. Concerning salvation this Scripture is out. John is not speaking of salvation.
His Gospel - atonement model offers forgiveness of sins on the exact basis that 1John 1:9 and that John 3:16 states "that Whosoever believeth on him might not perish but have everlasting life".
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--John includes himself in this verse. Just a couple verses earlier in verse 7 he says “if we walk in the light we have fellowship.” He is speaking of our fellowship with God, not salvation. This verse is out. It is not speaking of salvation.
John 3:16, which we all have memorized is the only verse so far that does speak of salvation, and it mention those key words that we speak about.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have
everlasting life.
--Words have meanings. To not perish means to not perish.
Everlasting means eternal, without end. This verse goes against you very belief.
There is "wicked sinners fully forgiven but just so happen to be in lake of fire" doctrine in all of scripture (as it turns out).
All men are fully forgiven in a sense, but not all men have accepted Christ’s forgiveness. If a sinner does not accept the forgiveness it does him no good. That is the meaning of John 3:16. “Whosoever believes on him…” The forgiveness is there, yes.” But they must believe in order to avail themselves of that forgiveness. The forgiveness is there. It must be accepted. It is a gift.
Those at the cross simply had to accept Christ as their Savior and they too would have forgiveness of sins.
True
Only one Gospel. Only one solution for getting the blood of Christ applied to your sin debt so that you can be forgiven.
But you have put forth more than one gospel. You mix it with works.
There is only one Gospel (Gal 1:6-11) and thus only one means for forgiveness of sins (1John 2:1) -- and that offered to all mankind on the 1John 1:9 conditional basis -- as stated in scripture.
Galatians 1 speaks of the only one gospel. Any other gospel is to be rejected and the one presenting it is accursed.
I John 2:1 is not presenting a gospel. If you say it is then according to Gal.1 you are accursed. You are presenting another gospel. 1John 2:1 is John teaching “my little children” about sanctification, not salvation. It is not a gospel message.
Not all will freely accept this -- but it is scripture.
And I am one of them. For not all Scripture speaks of salvation.
Consider two examples of Scripture that well demonstrate forgiveness.
Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
--Stephen, (like our Lord) asked forgiveness for those who stoned them. But his prayer was directed toward God, not man. In his heart he could pray to God and harbor no bitterness against these men who were committing this crime against him. But Stephen knew:
Only God can forgive sins. His prayer was directed toward God.
Another but very different example.
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
--Sometimes we are sinned against by another person.
There is no forgiveness without repentance. If you steal from me, there is no sense in me saying “I forgive you,” unless you restore that which you have stolen, or have truly repented of your sin. How can I forgive you unless you repent of what you have I done. I cannot.
This was exemplified in the life of John the Baptist. He would not baptized them unless they showed fruits of repentance first. They had to demonstrate repentance before they could be baptized.
There will be many forgiven people in Hell. They will be forgiven as a person can pray to God for forgiveness, but in reality they cannot forgive the person until the person repents. The offended person can only pray to God to release the hurt done to him by the offender. He cannot actually forgive the offender unless he repents. That is the teaching in Luke 17:3.
You cannot take all these Scriptures out of their contexts and string them together without regard to context.
