Decisional Regeneration

Truth

I do not judge anyone, but want to let the world know that the same hope you have and I have, they have.

Sometimes in building our house we do many things wrong, but what really matters is the foundation

 

World

The world is without hope without Jesus and we are to preach of thier hope Jesus.

God loved the world that sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

No matter what that truth will stand and there is nothing you and I can do about it.

God is in the world and we are His temple to spread the hope they have in Jesus.

God promised that He will send back the Holy Spirit. We are the messengers of the hope the world has with Jesus. You can try to limit it, but it is still the world.

 

scripture

If a man is condemned, it will never be because God didn't want them to be saved.

God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

You have already been condemned because you walked away from the only hope God provided for salvation, Jesus.

 

What do you mean by universal redemption?

 

God loves everyone , except of course , the ones he hates .

 

Is that your definition of universal redemption?

How about a definition without sarcasm?

 

Universal redeption

Is all being saved.

Revelation 16:
4The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:
"You are just in these judgments,
you who are and who were, the Holy One,
because you have so judged;
6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve."


7And I heard the altar respond:
"Yes, Lord God Almighty,
true and just are your judgments."

8The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. 9They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

10The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their tongues in agony 11and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil[a] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."

16Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

 

Yes. Thank you. I am not familiar with all of these terminologies. I had never even heard of Calvinism/Arminianism until 1 year ago when I joined the BB.

 

universalism

Universalism is unbiblical.

Given the world a false is as bad as taking away the only hope they have.

 

Universalism is the belief that everyone is saved, correct?

Is that part of Arminianism?

I have learned that Ca=tulip and Ar=daisy

 

1. At least not in practice, but in theory it is.

2. While Particular Atonement teaches that Christ died for the elect and truly accomplished their salvation at Calvary. Arminians make the death of Christ potential in its efficacy.

 

No problem.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I will try to be polite here since you have pressed a hot button of mine. So be patient with me if you will.
You would be more correct to state the early Church and the early church Fathers and not the Roman Catholic Church. Actually it goes all the way back to the Apostles our Lord Himself.
However, it was much later when the church (which called itself Catholic - or Universal) became the diseased Roman Church we see they maintianed some of the early teachings but much was distorted and perverted as well. As it grew and evolved it became much worse later on.

Roman Catholic teachings do not come close to synergysm (which is a common misconception amoung Calvinists) but is most definately semi- Pelagan. (semi-Pel view - Man desires to come to God but can't, God in turn give grace to man to help man come to him. Once man decides he really wants to come to God, God then REWARDS man with salvation) This is the cooperative relationship which 'you' are trying to apply to the Non-Cal position which in FACT is not even close to our view. We do not hold that Man must FIRST come to God and then God helps him out so that when Man decides he wants to come God rewards him for his work.

The Non-Cal view holds that man can not and will not of his own seek out or is able to do anything in such a way as to please God. However, God Himself must FIRST come to man, and by the Word and Spirit reveal truth to man (also known or viewed as drawing and convicting) and that man not being able to save himself but being worthy of damnation must either believe God's truth (regarding Gods salvation) and be judged on the merits of Christs righteousness imputed to him by grace for believing God or reject God provision and be judged on their own merits.
Man recieves nothing from God for his works.

To say these two are diametrically the same or theologically the same is either a gross misjudgment or an intentional fabrication. Semi- Pel view is based off of the primary principle of Pelaganism - Man coming to God first, and earning his reward. This is the Roman Catholic belief, and not the Non-Cal.

Yes, in a give and take relationship which is based upon works. Salvation is their reward for a work well done and if not you get purgitory or even cast into hell if the Church excomunicates (sp?) you.

Please research a little more before such accusations are tossed around as if they are true.

The only thing the two have in common is that salvation CAN NOT be given by God to man unless Man believes. This is the only 'cooperation' that is spoken to and it rests squarely upon scripture and very words of our Lord God. Unless man believes that which God has both said and done, man will not, nay can not be saved. Not once will you find scripture to support the view - be saved and believe. But I can show scripture after scripture which states believe and be saved!

Did it ever occur to you that the Non-Cal position is just as at odds with the Catholic view of salvation as you are. Martin Luther was opposed to libertarian free-will (Both a view that the Pel and Semi-Pel hold). But not the the version of most Baptist non-Cals today regarding their understanding of free-will. They use the phrase as a point of reference (being that God gives man choice) much like Calvinists are not followers of Calvin but affirm the 5 basic principles known as the Sovereign Grace Doctrines.

Again you are incorrect here regarding beliefs of the Non-Cal. We to affirm this and stand squarely upon it. But we see the Apostles and our Lord teaching them somewhat differently than your version. We are dead not in the wooden literal sense but metiphorically, must like when Paul also states to believers that 'we ARE dead TO sin". Or like Jesus does in the Prodical Son.

How did the son come to be home- He chose to go back there. When did he do that? According to the Father - he was dead (seperated) and chose to come to His Father and NOW is alive (unified with the father).
Also you do not view the portion of scripture which states "we are 'dead' to sin , and that dead be seen as wooden literal, because that would mean you could no more sin as the new creation in Christ than the unbeliever can do any righteous work unto God. And His making us alive isn't regeneration before salvation but the regernation OF salvation.

I noticed that in order to make it monegeristic you had to remove a portion of scripture. "Through Faith" and faith when used as a verb is always in the active sense meaning the subject (or person in this case) is the one doing the action. If it was completely monegeristic it would be God doing the action making mans faith passive and never active.

Unfortunately that is an arguement that has never once been biblically proven to be truth. If it were then it would be one of the immutable truths we all agree upon such as Christ being God, His death, His burial, His resurrection, His virgin birth, ect, ect... I show you some reasons it has never been proven.
1. If salvation requires nothing from man, then man need not believe for salvation.
2. Even IF regeneration comes first, Man still must cooperate with God in order to be saved because it is imcumbient upon man by the command of God to believe that he might be saved.
Just for starters.

Then you have over looked scriptures stating to the contrary.

And still many more.
As seem in some of the above verses the dead you presume is wooden literal is not so and illistrated as such in the parable of the prodical son. Also there is no life (being made alive) UNTIL AFTER they believe. Another is that man must choose to lose his life that he might be saved. WHo ever shall dring the water Christ offers will not thirst again. So far, everywhere I look in the scriptures speaks to Gods working of salvation through the offer of His Son. He is the substitute for our sins but not ours only but the sins of the Whole World.

Please do me a favor look at each time John uses the term Whole World in all his works and you will see that in every instance it is in regard toward the whole or all of sinful man and never to the saved or elect alone. If that be so according to his own pen and the leading of the Spirit to divine inspiration have a problem growing)

But in ALL of these and others man does nothing to add to Gods salvation of him nor does man First come to God and God responds, but we see the general call by God who sought out man to every sinner (for that is the whole world) and those who will believe will be saved and made alive in Christ Jesus.

 

WHile I appreciate your use of Lazarus being dead and coming to life as your anology you have no scriptural support for the use of that story in relation to your opinion. It is never refered back to in scripture to support the spiritually dead being the wooden literal dead of the lifeless dead man. It is based on alot of presumption or assumption and no real support for it in the context of the text. Christ is refering to the resurrection of the redeemed, NOT the regeneration of a sinner that they might come to salvation.