Decisional Regeneration

Yes...hence the little I added to my comment

 

Repent and believe go hand in hand, and are not to be separated. The emphasis on repent only, and repent and believe, and repent and be baptized are all the same thing.

I don't think I've ever set one over another...I may have used one to inerpret another at some time, but I don't recall ever giving one more authority over another.
It's easy to harmonize God's sovereignty and man's free will leading to choice. The Bible teaches it.

 

Explanation of what?

 

Is this an example of what y'all are talking about with the answering a question with a question thing?

I'll try again - have I got this straight - Our actions have nothing to do with our eternal destiny? There is no connection between our actions and our eternal destiny?

Les

 

I really don't see how John 3:8 can be used to support either your view or mine. It is simply stating that like the wind that blows in every direction, can be felt, and can be discerned blowing through trees and grass...the Holy Spirit exhibits similar traits through those born again. Like the wind we cannot see, the Holy Spirit is there. This is a similie explaining the Spirit.

 

1. Webdog, it doesn't support your view, but it does support the Reformed view.

2. As been stated, like man has no control over the wind, so no man has control over the regenerating work of the Spirit. ***edited

 

Opinion. I don't believe it supports either.

You changed the entire meaning of the verse by the above highlighted. You have added to Scripture and the meaning of the verse by adding to it (as did Gill in RB's post). It says nothing whatsoever about men being in control over the wind or the Spirit, or even insinuates such.

 

Since you and I last talked you accerted via my questions that regeneration/born-again is the same thing as being saved.

Now, in the OP you ask if regeneration (salvation) is decisional (based upon my decision). The answer is simple and extremely biblical. Yes it is.

Does this mean that Man "controls" the New Birth? No.
1. Man does not tell God, you must save me - for man can not tell God to do anything. God is not our servant to do our bidding.

1. Does this mean that Man is 'responsible' with regard to the New Birth? Yes.
...a. God states via His word that man must believe (active tense meaning the subject is the doer of a thing) and man will be saved. Not that through mans belief he demands God save him. This has been the common misrepresentation for centuries.

2. Man must believe, but believe what and to what end?
...a. Basically Man must believe the gospel or good news that we are all condemned to hell for our sinful rebellion against God and still while we were yet sinners Christ died for our sins, and rose again. In this we might be reconciled unto God through the work of Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
...b. To what end - that by believing we might be saved.
...c. Man can not 'demand' salvation from God as though God is obligated to man.
...d. However, when God tells us that He alone has purchased our redemption through the work of His Son alone, and that whosoever (a universal call) believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Then who am I to deny the Grace of God who set His Son to the the propitiation for sins but not ours only but the sins of the Whole World.

Man does not 'control' salvation in the Non-Cal view anymore than regenerate man does in the Cal view. Both state that 'Man' must believe in order to be saved. Man CAN NOT be saved unless he believes. Man, regardless of the theological bent we may surmise, is still responsible to believe that he might be saved. Man has a part in his salvation, unless you deny the scriptures which state "believe and you will be saved".

That my friend is the crux of the issue. If man has no part in salvation then man does not need to be believe in order to be saved at all, correct? Man would be saved regardless of belief. There is no glory given to the one who receives a gift, but all glory is given to the giver. Because it was his grace, his mercy, his power which brought to the person that which they did not have nor could the obtain.

(I have been away for the most part and wish to appologize for not continuing our dialog in the other thread)

 

The fact is Scripture makes no mention of man controling the wind or the Spirit...that is something Gill and TC stated it meant. Please supply where the text in context is even hinting that man is contoling either the wind or the Spirit.
Albert Barnes's commentary (calvinist, btw) even agrees with my assesment of 3:8. It has nothing to do with man contoling the wind or the Spirit...because it is just not there...

Albert Barnes -
Joh 3:8 -
The wind bloweth ... - Nicodemus had objected to the doctrine because he did not understand how it could be. Jesus shows him that he ought not to reject it on that account, for he constantly believed things quite as difficult. It might appear incomprehensible, but it was to be judged of by its effects. As in this case of the wind, the effects were seen, the sound was heard, important changes were produced by it, trees and clouds were moved, yet the wind is not seen, nor do we know whence it comes, nor by what laws it is governed; so it is with the operations of the Spirit. We see the changes produced. Men just now sinful become holy; the thoughtless become serious; the licentious become pure; the vicious, moral; the moral, religious; the prayerless, prayerful; the rebellious and obstinate, meek, and mild, and gentle. When we see such changes, we ought no more to doubt that they are produced by some cause - by some mighty agent, than when we see the trees moved, or the waters of the ocean piled on heaps, or feet the cooling effects of a summer’s breeze. In those cases we attribute it to the "wind," though we see it not, and though we do not understand its operations. We may learn, hence:
1. that the proper evidence of conversion is the effect on the life.
2. that we are not too curiously to search for the cause or manner of the change.
3. that God has power over the most hardened sinner to change him, as he has power over the loftiest oak, to bring it down by a sweeping blast.
4. that there may be great variety in the modes of the operation of the Spirit. As the "wind" sometimes sweeps with a tempest, and prostrates all before it, and sometimes breathes upon us in a mild evening zephyr, so it is with the operations of the Spirit. The sinner sometimes trembles and is prostrate before the truth, and sometimes is sweetly and gently drawn to the cross of Jesus.
Where it listeth - Where it "wills" or "pleases."
So is every one ... - Everyone that is born of the Spirit is, in some respects, like the effects of the wind. You see it not, you cannot discern its laws, but you see its effects," and you know therefore that it does exist and operate. Nicodemus’ objection was, that he could not "see" this change, or perceive "how" it could be. Jesus tells him that he should not reject a doctrine merely because he could not understand it. Neither could the "wind" be seen, but its effects were well known, and no one doubted the existence or the power of the agent. Compare Ecc_11:5.

 

Romans 9 isn't about salvation.