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Decisional Regeneration

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by ReformedBaptist, Aug 27, 2007.

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  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    LOL, yeah, and the Bible isn't about Christ.
     
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  2. TCGreek

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    The emphasis is on the work of the Spirit and its effect on the individual, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, but that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
     
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    The Bible is about Christ? :confused: I thought the Bible was about man's problem and God's solution.
    Romans 9 is about Israel, btw. Allan is correct. 9-11 deals with Israel as a nation.
     
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    I agree, in the context of the one already born again (as 3:6 qualifies). It has nothing to do with man's contol over the wind or Spirit, though.

    Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
     
    #164 webdog, Aug 28, 2007
  5. npetreley

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    Spoken like a true free-willer. ;)
     
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  6. ReformedBaptist

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    This statement has aroused my zeal of the glory of God. So, if I be accused of being too harsh, please forgive me. I am greatly zealous of the glory of God.

    I do not mean, by quoting such a short portion of your reply, to diminish or ignore what you have written. It was well-thought out and apparantly well-meant. And I desire to reply to every part of it, but its getting late.

    This idea here represented, that man has a part in his salvation, is in my opinion straight out of the pit of hell. And I will with all the strength God gives me, if He is willing, throw it back.

    It is purely and completely refuted in the Word of God, namely "SALVATION IS OF THE LORD" Man does NOT have part in GOD'S salvation, and if man has a salvation that is his own, then he does not have the Lord's. But I think many are just inconsistent arminians as I was. Truly saved, but suffering from poor theology.

    This idea that man adds to the grace of God is more in common with popery than biblical christianity. It must be confronted and opposed. It robs God of the glory due his name and gives to man, who already is ful of himself, something of which to boast before God.

    Let us put away from ourselves such things. And give God the glory alone.

    As for me, I had NO PART in God's salvation of me. Before I was even born God made a distinction. "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." And this that God's choice may stand without respect to me doing good or evil. But the choice was made purely and soley from His own good pleasure. He did this, because it seemed good to Him to do so.

    And if He did it not, He would be glorified also. I am a most worthy candidate for the flames of hell, and fully deserve the full measure of the wrath of God to be poured out on me. I loved darkness rather than the light. I hated good, and loved evil. I chose my own way, and from my youth my thoughts and desires were evil continually.

    Yet by grace I was made to come alive in Christ. He transferred me from darkness to light. When His light shone in my darkness I looked and saw Jesus and believed. I turned from all my wickedness and confessed my sins to God. And He bid me to follow Him.

    If this is not the testimony of every born again child of God, then it is my PRIVATE opinion that I am in doubt of that man's salvation. Such a salvation other than this I find not in Holy Scripture or my own heart.

    I will write more on the morrow. Methinks I should go to bed. lol
     
    #166 ReformedBaptist, Aug 28, 2007
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    Double huh :confused: :confused:
     
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  8. ReformedBaptist

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    You are joking right? About the Bible being about man's problem, God's solution, and not about Christ?
     
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  9. TCGreek

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    1. Barnes is correct when he says, "Everyone that is born of the Spirit is, in some respects, like the effects of the wind. You see it not, you cannot discern its laws, but you see its effects," and you know therefore that it does exist and operate." (emphasis mine).

    2. The effects of being born of the Spirit is man cry for salvation in faith and repentance.
     
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    Man having a part in his salvation cannot be supported from Scripture.
     
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  11. Allan

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    John 3:8 does NOT address HOW someone is born again.
    If you will note the FULL passage of John 3:8
    If the passage stopped where you do, then an argument might be made. However, it states that every BORN AGAIN (saved) person is or is just like the wind that blows where it does when trying to be understood by the world. They don't know why we do what we do nor go where we go. The world knows the wind is there they just do not grasp why it does what it does.
     
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    Your zeal does not offend me for it is my zeal which has spurred me to write to begin with against the truths of scripture so vehemently denied.

    So in light of your responce I will ask you only one question dear brother:

    Did you have to believe in order to be saved?


    BTW - No one except you has at anytime insinuated that man ADDS anything to Grace. But it is by Grace THROUGH Faith that we are saved, my friend.

    EDITTED IN -->> From your own testimony and or words:
    I do not take this portion to flaunt you as saying saved yourself, but as noted even you affirm 'you believed' and 'you turned'. Gods saving us is done wholely and completely by God to and for those who will believe. God saves man. But the part played by man regarding salvation is not in the act of saving nor of the power which saves but believing the the who has stated that HE and He alone will save them.
     
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  13. Allan

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    So then you were saved dear brother, having never beleived?
     
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    1. When I awoke to my need for the Savior, faith was given to me and I used that faith.

    2. Even the faith that I had was not of my own doing, it too was a gift.
     
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    But you differ from Reformedbaptists view regarding regeneration/born again. He has stated to me (becuase I asked specifically for he view on this in another thread), born again is the same as one who is saved.
     
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  16. Allan

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    Noted brother, but here's the rub. Regardless of if God gave you faith or not the fact still remains my friend that if YOU had not believed, you would NOT be saved.

    God will NOT save you until YOU believe.
     
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    RB is a very thoughtful brother and he will have to answer you on that matter in the light of what I said. But I cannot answer for him.
     
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    And that I do not deny, but the faith to use was given to me; therefore, I cannot take credit for it.
     
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  19. Allan

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    I thought about that after I wrote it.
    So I went back to find the thread. Here is the name:

    Faith, before or after regeneration. (In the General Baptist section)
    It is post 34.

    Here is the last paragraph in answer to my questioning of is regeneration the same as being saved.

     
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  20. Allan

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    Understood, but you DO take 'credit' for using it, right?
     
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