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Definition of Free Will

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MB

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David Kent said:
Luther said : "Adam was given freewill and used that freewill to sin." As chidren of Adam we only have freewill to sin.

On another forum Someone said "I believe in absolute freewill." But since they also believe in Once saved Always saved, I consider that to be anomaly as if they have absolute freewill to choose,then they must have absolute freewill to unchoose.
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So Luther writes scripture funny I never seen his name mentioned in the Bible.
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MB

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MB said:
Actually the only unforgivable sin is blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. Unbelief can be forgiven as long as you are alive. after death there will be no sin forgiven.
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Yes I'm a sinner saved by Grace through faith. Don't you have anything new?
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MB

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Wesley Briggman said:
Jdg 4:6 KJV - And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, [saying], Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?
Jdg 4:7 KJV - And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand.
Jdg 4:13 KJV - And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, [even] nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that [were] with him, from Harosheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.
Jdg 4:14 KJV - And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this [is] the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.
Jdg 4:15 KJV - And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all [his] chariots, and all [his] host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off [his] chariot, and fled away on his feet.
Jdg 4:16 KJV - But Barak pursued after the chariots, and after the host, unto Harosheth of the Gentiles: and all the host of Sisera fell upon the edge of the sword; [and] there was not a man left.

I think Sisera would say he engaged his enemy of his own free will. What say you?

Act 9:1 KJV - And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 KJV - And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 KJV - And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 KJV - And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 KJV - And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Act 9:6 KJV - And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Saul's will (free? or Satan's will) was to continue persecuting Christians. Did Saul fall to the earth of his own free will? If so, why? Why did Saul submit his will to the Lord's will? Why didn't Saul remind the Lord of his free will?
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If you were Paul and you had seen what Paul seen what would you do. Would the vision have convinced you that it was in fact Jesus Christ the Son of God. It would have me. I would have believed that very second just as Paul did. There was nothing preventing him from just walking away. In verse 6 He asked Jesus what he should do this is surrender. Of course you'll deny it because you can't see the truth.

Wesley Briggman said:
Bottom line:
Luk 22:42 KJV - Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Our Lord Jesus Christ submitted His will to our God, His father. This is an example to all Christians. We are not here to do our will, free or otherwise. We are to do the will of God empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Mat 6:10 KJV - Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Hopefully I have given enough scripture that the Holy Spirit will use to teach us the true worthlessness of our will if it is not in His will.
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We are here to do God's will and being willing is accepted.
2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
If a man is not willing he is not accepted.
Christ is not willing that any perrish; Yet most do. What's up with that?
2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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MB said:
If you were Paul and you had seen what Paul seen what would you do. Would the vision have convinced you that it was in fact Jesus Christ the Son of God. It would have me. I would have believed that very second just as Paul did. There was nothing preventing him from just walking away. In verse 6 He asked Jesus what he should do this is surrender. Of course you'll deny it because you can't see the truth.


We are here to do God's will and being willing is accepted.
2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
If a man is not willing he is not accepted.
Christ is not willing that any perrish; Yet most do. What's up with that?
2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Why were those who were with paul denied seeing the vision?
 
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Yeshua1

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MB said:
If you were Paul and you had seen what Paul seen what would you do. Would the vision have convinced you that it was in fact Jesus Christ the Son of God. It would have me. I would have believed that very second just as Paul did. There was nothing preventing him from just walking away. In verse 6 He asked Jesus what he should do this is surrender. Of course you'll deny it because you can't see the truth.


We are here to do God's will and being willing is accepted.
2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
If a man is not willing he is not accepted.
Christ is not willing that any perrish; Yet most do. What's up with that?
2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
MB
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So what is powerful enough to overcome the will of God in that passage then?
 
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Particular

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MB said:
If you were Paul and you had seen what Paul seen what would you do. Would the vision have convinced you that it was in fact Jesus Christ the Son of God. It would have me. I would have believed that very second just as Paul did. There was nothing preventing him from just walking away. In verse 6 He asked Jesus what he should do this is surrender. Of course you'll deny it because you can't see the truth.


We are here to do God's will and being willing is accepted.
2Co_8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
If a man is not willing he is not accepted.
Christ is not willing that any perrish; Yet most do. What's up with that?
2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
MB
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Well that's just a blatant misuse of 2 Corinthians 8 and an even worse attempt to tie it to 2 Peter 3:9. MB, you should let your priest speak for you in the future.
 
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