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Departing from the faith

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Steadfast Fred

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Not only is the Law not a means of Salvation. It is also something the child of God is not bound to. Once we come to Christ in faith, we are no longer under the schoolmaster. We are not under the Law.

The Old testament teaches that we cannot mix Law and grace. The Law was a ministration of death. We are not under that ministration. Christ is the end of the Law for those who are His. The commandment of ordinances have been abolished.
 
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HisWitness

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In the Bible, the self-righteous never thought of himself as a sinner.

you say you don't observe his commandments---but you know NOT to kill---steal---covet---bear false witness.

NOW either you do all or some of these things already and have NO regard for Yeshua's commandments

OR

you observe these things and then turn right around in your BLINDNESS and reject even having to do them..:tonofbricks::tonofbricks::tonofbricks:
 

Steadfast Fred

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1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Those who are Christ's are dead unto the Law, and the Law unto them.

To attempt to place themselves in the Law is to commit spiritual adultery.
 
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HisWitness

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1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


Those who are christ's are dead unto the Law, and the Law unto them.

To attempt to place themselves in the Law is to commit spiritual adultery.

you cant even perceive what I am saying friend :praying:

being bound by law and keeping Yeshua's commandments are 2 diff. things


you keep Yeshua's commandments from LOVE

IF you LOVE Yeshua---then NO commandments are too hard or burdensome

the problem is that Man wants to do his own thing and fulfill the ungodly desires of the flesh and DO NOT LOVE Yeshua--simple as that :sleep:
 

Steadfast Fred

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I know this is hard for you to grasp, but i do not kill, steal, covet, etc., because of some law that says not to do such things... I don't do such because I love Jesus Christ.

There is no Law that i have to follow that says do not kill. I don't have a desire to kill. My love for Christ is greater.

In putting oneself under the confines of the Law, one is essentially saying, Christ, i don't love you enough. I must be married to both you, and the law.
 

HisWitness

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There are 613 Commandments in the Old Testament.

Excuses will get you NO where

shouldn't take you no time to memorize them all ???

memorize 10 a day till you get them all--YAH gave us our mind for his Glory.

oooops the hammer just hit me--cause I can memorize more myself :flower:

the ones that doesn't apply like the animal sacrifices and sin offerins anymore because of Yeshua--don't worry about them.

Yeshua gave 2 commandments in the NT---if you observe these---then you observe them all--very deep statement---BUT TRUE

the main theme is LOVE---not man's love BUT YAH'S love through man

LOVE you neighbor as yourself-that's ALL mankind
LOVE YAH with ALL your heart,soul,mind

Do these 2 like Yeshua said to do them---and you will keep ALL the law in those 2 commandments--and will observe the 10 commandments and his dietary laws also :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
 

HisWitness

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I know this is hard for you to grasp, but i do not kill, steal, covet, etc., because of some law that says not to do such things... I don't do such because I love Jesus Christ.

There is no Law that i have to follow that says do not kill. I don't have a desire to kill. My love for Christ is greater.

In putting oneself under the confines of the Law, one is essentially saying, Christ, i don't love you enough. I must be married to both you, and the law.

That's the whole point iv been making---you are observing the law in Love through Yeshua---not because you are bound to the law.

And if you are looking out for your HEALTH like YAH was when he told man of the clean things that Man could consume--in doing so Loving YAH and yourself also--then you will eat what YAH desires for you to eat.

Don't give me that I can eat any thing I want too---look at the health of the people in this country---wonder why ??????

Pig is the nastiest animal you can consume and brings diseases and bad health to mankind---YAH's purpose was Man NEVER eating Pig--Pig has a purpose from YAH that doesn't include consummation---just as the shrimp and lobster--study what their purposes are and youll see why YAH said NOT to consume them :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Steadfast Fred

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You are wrong. Paul said for those who follow the Law, they mustcontinue in all things written in the law... Not some, but all.

That includes the animal sacrifices. They are written in the law. They also must be kept or one is cursed.

You are guilty of the law you say we are to follow. You have no right telling us to do something that you yourself don't do. Attempting to put a yoke on others that you can't bear yourself.
 

Steadfast Fred

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As to the eating, i do eat bacon, ham, shrimp on occasion, etc.

Those dietary laws were for the children of Israel, not required of Gentiles, nor of post-crucifixion Christians. It is not that which goeth into the mouth that defiles man, but that which cometh out...that defiles the man.

You are so bent on law that you cannot truly know grace at its fullest measure.
 

HisWitness

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We're under a dietary law still? Read Acts 10 and get back with me......

done dealt with that verse already--doesn't mean what you are saying it does---sorry




---------------Let me explain it to you friend............................................ .............../
First of all do you see YAH rebuking Peter for refusing to eat unclean things ?

That vision had nothing to do with Peter eating meats at all-----you misunderstand the whole text friend !!!!!

im gonna shorten this up the best way I can to you-------------------------

How many times was the vision shown to peter--------------------3
How many men was sent to fetch peter---------------------------3
It was unclean and against law for a Jew to be together with a Gentile--these 3 men were Gentiles coming to peter--Peter would have NEVER went with these Gentiles if it had not been for the vision--YAH was getting through to Peter that he was extending his GRACE to the gentiles also
SO therefore Peter figured out what it meant when the 3 men arrived--and he went with them to the other Gentile man.

See friend the vision had NOTHING to do with saying you can transgress YAH's laws and eat as you please to fulfill your lustful desires as men say.
Peter knew YAH wasn't going against his own HOLY LAWS---and Peter never ate ANY of the unclean beasts that YAH said NOT to eat.

YAH was telling Peter that he was about to cleanse that which was unclean---the Gentiles !!!

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HisWitness

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As to the eating, i do eat bacon, ham, shrimp on occasion, etc.

Those dietary laws were for the children of Israel, not required of Gentiles, nor of post-crucifixion Christians. It is not that which goeth into the mouth that defiles man, but that which cometh out...that defiles the man.

You are so bent on law that you cannot truly know grace at its fullest measure.

more scriptures butchered by you to keep on with your transgressing :laugh:
 
done dealt with that verse already--doesn't mean what you are saying it does---sorry




---------------Let me explain it to you friend............................................ .............../
First of all do you see YAH rebuking Peter for refusing to eat unclean things ?

That vision had nothing to do with Peter eating meats at all-----you misunderstand the whole text friend !!!!!

im gonna shorten this up the best way I can to you-------------------------

How many times was the vision shown to peter--------------------3
How many men was sent to fetch peter---------------------------3
It was unclean and against law for a Jew to be together with a Gentile--these 3 men were Gentiles coming to peter--Peter would have NEVER went with these Gentiles if it had not been for the vision--YAH was getting through to Peter that he was extending his GRACE to the gentiles also
SO therefore Peter figured out what it meant when the 3 men arrived--and he went with them to the other Gentile man.

See friend the vision had NOTHING to do with saying you can transgress YAH's laws and eat as you please to fulfill your lustful desires as men say.
Peter knew YAH wasn't going against his own HOLY LAWS---and Peter never ate ANY of the unclean beasts that YAH said NOT to eat.

YAH was telling Peter that he was about to cleanse that which was unclean---the Gentiles !!!

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So, God was allowing Peter to eat something unclean to show him that He was going to cleanse the Gentile, and yet, by Him doing this for Peter, Peter was still under the dietary law? God allowed Peter to break His dietary Law to show this? Really? :rolleyes:
 
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