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http://www.epva.org/MSQR_Archive/Winter01_2.htmRecent work has suggested that there are changes in the brains of depressed patients with MS that might be related to the depression (Bakshi, Shaikh, et al., 2000). In a recent study, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of patients with MS showed that in certain regions of the brain—the frontal and parietal lobes—depressed patients with MS tended to have increased numbers of a lesion called “T1 black holes” (Bakshi, Czarnecki, et al., 2000). These lesions appear dark on “T1-weighted” MRI scans (Guttman, 2001), and are thought to be older lesions where tissue destruction has occurred, and where there is little ongoing inflammation or other disease activity. This finding supported an idea these researchers were testing, that lesions in the fibers connecting different areas of the brain might cause depression.
http://clinicalstudies.info.nih.gov/detail/A_2002-M-0162.htmlTitle: Tryptophan Depletion and PET Scanning in Remitted Depressed Patients Off Treatment and Healthy Controls
Number: 02-M-0162
Summary: This study uses a procedure called tryptophan depletion to study serotonin function during depression. Serotonin is a chemical that binds to receptors on brain cells to regulate emotion, anxiety, sleep, stress hormones, and other body functions that are disturbed in depression.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-06/uhoc-hds061002.phpHow does serotonin effect depression
CLEVELAND: Depression investigators at The Research Institute of University Hospitals of Cleveland have zeroed in on the neurotransmitter serotonin, a brain chemical that regulates emotion. Their tactics: reduce serotonin levels in each study subject to learn who is vulnerable for developing major depression.
This new study, funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, is designed to help scientists better understand the role of serotonin in people who get major depression. By examining the way people feel when serotonin is briefly reduced, UHRI investigators hope to discover new ways of predicting who is at risk for major depression and when treatment with antidepressants can safely be discontinued, according to Pedro L. Delgado, MD.
Of course not! However, studies have shown that these medicines CAN help. Is that the only thing depressed folks need? Absolutely not. If the individual doesn't correct the underlying spiritual issue they are dealing with, then the depression will in all likelihood recur.Originally posted by Lorelei:
So the promise of peace from God is only available today in this century now that we have medication? Yes or no?
You can say what you want. You're entitled to your opinion. Seriously though, I agree--there are many of medicated folks out there who will temporarily feel better because of the medicine but who may not have faced the underlying cause. (You're preaching to the choir)
I still say this is backwards treatment and simply allows the person to avoid the cause of the depression.
You make many valid points with which I agree. However, in longstanding clinical depression there have been studies (PET scans, etc) showing an alteration in brain activity which MAY not be readily (ie quickly) fixed by merely trying to "calm down"If I get mad, my heart beats faster. The physical thing that happened was because of my anger, my emotion. My emotion causes the physical, it's not the other way around. My heart will in turn stop beating fast when I calm down. I have to stop being angry to fix the problem. You can give me a medication to slow it down, but whatever is angering me is the REAL problem.
Where did that comment come from??? The point was that the spiritual issues each different individual is going through are variable. In other words, folks have different spiritual struggles in different stages of their lives.
Is God just a variable?
That is a complete misrepresentation of what I said! My point was there are physiological aspects to a person's depression and that medicine CAN (but not always) help with this. I never said there wasn't spiritual issues to be addressed, as I address these with some of my patients (the ones who are willing to listen).This is proof right here from the medical profession. They place our physical well being before our spiritual well being. What should was as christians be more concerned with?
As often as I have to in order to RULE OUT other possible medical problems such as hypothyrodism, electrolyte disturbances, anemia, etc. This depends on if there are other historical clues or physical findings which may suggest these other causes.You don't routinely run tests, how often have you run them?
~Lorelei
Then explain the evidence that it is cused by things like hormonal imballance, menopause, thyroid, preganacy?Originally posted by kate B...007:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I never said illness was caused by being in sin. I never said depression was caused by being in sin. I said depression is not an illness.
That makes it sound like it is a choice. When it is not, it is byond the person ablinity to choose what goes on in their brain. So maybe if we are responsable for chemicl malfunctions in our brain, people with brain cancer or tumors has a choice also.I will answer that from my own persepctive...God never promised we would not have headaches or anything else...he is more concenred with how we handle it...our character that is rooted in His word. We are to rejoice in ALL things,not just somethings.
From some of the information I read, and I may have posted a link to it(don't remember for sure), there sre two classes of medication for depression,a dn only one class is addictive and moind altering. The other is not. And I am sorry, I can not remember the names of each of these classes of medication.Medical doctors are fine and I do appreciate how God has used medicine to help us....but....sometimes these mind altering medicines mask the real problems when it comes to psycholigical issues.
I'm not sure I understand the question.Originally posted by Jim1999:
So, you rejoice is someone else's afflictions?
I don't NEED a medical degree, I don't NEED a doctor, I don't NEED any man to tell me different. MY GOD is greater, MY GOD is more merciful and MY GOD has ALL the answers!Ps 62:1-2
My soul finds rest in God alone;
my salvation comes from him.
2 He alone is my rock and my salvation;
he is my fortress, I will never be shaken. ...
5 Find rest, O my soul, in God alone;
my hope comes from him.
6 He alone is my rock and my salvation;
he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
7 My salvation and my honor depend on God;
he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
8 Trust in him at all times, O people;
pour out your hearts to him,
for God is our refuge.
NIV
~LoreleiMatt 11:28-30
28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
NIV
This is wonderful that you were able to do this and recover without additional help. I am glad that you shared this with us as it will give hope to those who are struggling with panic attacks.And yes, I didn't just feel a little anxious about something, I had attacks that made me feel like I was about to experience death. I couldn't breath, my heart was out of wack and I couldn't control my mind it was realing beyond control. I know what I am talking about here and I know I was able to obey God's Word and NOT be anxious when I focused my thoughts and mind on Christ.
We are all agreeing with you.My mind is more than the tissue in my brain and MY mind is controlled by the Holy Spirit who gives me peace, joy, love and rest.
Again we agree with you.MY GOD is greater, MY GOD is more merciful and MY GOD has ALL the answers!