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Did a C or A say this?
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Eternally Grateful
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Again, thats not free will
The one who god chose have no choice, nor do those he did not chose.
There is no choice in the matter
I think we all know he does not know what you believe. If you tell him he will only say you are the only one....'cause, you know, everybody else is Calvinistic.
I also think we all know he does not care. How quick did it take him to declare I hold Tozer's view without even asking what I believe on the topic?
Yes you are correct.He is a calvinist troll looking to cause strife and contention and mislead the naive.
It matters much. On a scale of 1 to ten trillion, with the higher the number indicating the more it matters, it matters far exceeds the scale. The doctrine of the trinity is at stake if it does not matter. The church of Jesus Christ carries the trinitarian signature of divine purpose. It is Jews and gentiles that make up the fleshly and human portion of the church, the body of Christ (which is also the bride of Christ, prefigured by Eve, who was taken out of the side of Adam and when complete, presented to him as his wife) and the Holy Ghost who indwells it both individually among the members and corporately as one entity. There must be a trinitarian image to the church, and there is. Jesus Christ our Lord is the Head of the body, the members of church is the one body, and the Holy Ghost indwells both Christ and his body at the same time, thus a trinity.
It is the same with Israel when the church is complete and taken to the Fathers house, prefigured by Isaac, a figure of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. God the Father, who is prefigured by Abraham and the unnamed servant, a figure of the Holy Ghost who goes out to find a bride for Isaac, Rebekah, and brings her to meet Isaac in the field, the first face to face meeting between the two, and he takes her to Abraham's tent. This is Gen 24.
God had provided in his providence for the trinitarian nature of restored and saved Israel as the people and nation of God in her own land after the church is complete by divided her into two during her disobedience in the OT. When she is save both Judah and Israel will be brought back as one and the Holy Ghost will indwell them thus bringing to pass the prophecy that God will write his law in their hearts. This is the trinitarian nature of Israel when God saves her. This is spelled out in Eze 36.
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canadyjd
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Jesus is not saying He calls all men without exception. He is saying He calls all men without distinction between Jew and Gentile. That is the context of the passage.
In John 12:19 the priests were concerned the “whole world” had gone after Jesus.
John 12:20 says that gentiles had come and asked to see Jesus
It is at this point Jesus tells us the time had come to glorify the Father through His death on the cross.
That is the context of Jesus saying He will draw all men to Himself. He means all men without distinction, not all men without exception.
That the Gentiles would be part of the Kingdom of God is a repeating theme in John’s gospel.
In John 1, we are told that those who are children of God are born, not of blood(s), nor of the will of man, but of God. The mention of “blood” is a reference to being a physical descendant of Abraham.
The theme of Gentile inclusion is repeated in John 10 and the parable of the Good Shepherd. Jesus says He has other sheep not of this fold (Jewish) that will hear His voice and follow Him.
And then again in John 12, where Jesus says He will draw all men to Himself.
Again, the context supports the interpretation of all men without distinction (Jew and Gentile) rather than all men without exception.
peace to you
Yes again...24/7...anyone who reads these posts will see it.
Explain this:
Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
There can be no doubt that the apostles to whom he was speaking in Matt 19 were Jews, and there is no doubt they were also the foundation of the church of Jesus Christ because the scriptures says this at a later date in Ephesians.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
The context says the "ye" is referencing gentiles and is what the Ephesian congregation was made up of. The point is that while Jews and gentiles are one in Christ they are distinct in Christ as well. However the worldwide church as it is being built over the centuries is in view here and there are distinctively Jews and gentiles in it. It has a Jewish foundation.
@Reynolds , @Silverhair , and @Eternally Grateful are absolutely correct about the Calvinistic sect and their MO on this board. Here is undeniable proof:
Not addressing the disputes but attacking other Christians who dare to question their theology.
Not addressing the disputes but attacking other Christians who dare to question their theology.
Silverhair
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You calvinists jump up and down saying you forgot context then you turn around and say wait you have to understand a verse the way I do without the context. FYI my context is the bible, what is yours? When I say Christ Jesus came to save all you go no He did not see this verse dosn't say that. Get your head out of the mindset of calvinism.
Calvinism is just one big group think. You have given up the ability to think on your own. I have been on a number of boards and you get the same canned answers from the calvinists there. You guys must have a tip sheet you all read from. Sad really.
I answered quickly by phone to encourage my brothers and warn others, I am on my laptop now.I will expose what is happening some more being you delight in it.
Silverhair
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You calvinists just can not stand the idea that God is really sovereign. You have to throw your calvinist philosophy into just about everything you say. You really have to just learn to trust the text of the bible. You have raised the writing of calvin, edwards, owen, piper etc above the bible.
You limit context to just the verses that you like but for me context is the bible.
Calvinists in solid churches have already been well instructed in the events of Adams ,sin and fall into death.
When they see JM write such a statement they know exactly what he means.
When we see the non cal say something like it, we know he is denying the condition of man and suggesting the full ability of the sinner.
atpollard
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You should try shooting fish.
Silverhair
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Since when did you think that discussing the bible was a competition? Is that how you see a bible discussion?
Jon, you must imagine you are now a prophet.
My problem is I have no desire to scour a hundred posts to figure out what y'all believe, especially when whatever I come up with will surely be mocked anyway.
At this point I simply expect you to live in a twilight zone of your own making.
But, you're right. I haven't got a clue what you and EG actually believe. For all I know you aren't even Baptists.
This is what I am talking about. You say you want to encourage your brothers by insulting us....but @Reynolds , @Silverhair , @Eternally Grateful and I are among your brothers.
Calvinists here much too often treat the breathern, at least any who dare to voice a different view, as if they were enemies, not brothers. They withdraw and condemn their own brothers.
Silverhair
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Your calvinist arrogance is showing. You act as if you are the purveyor of all knowledge. Talk about having an inflated opinion of oneself.
Once again we see that only the calvinist can read and understand anything. The comes from the fact we don't have the magic decoder ring that you guys use.
From what I have seen it is primarily the Calvinists who mock those with whom they disagree.
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