Did Christ die two deaths?

[37818]

You did not contribute anything but the fallacy of personal incredulity here.

1) Did EG cite a verse that says our sin was "imputed" to Christ? Nope as the claim is a fiction.
2) Did EG equate "forsaken" with "the separation caused by sin?" Yes, but just another fiction.
3) Is the fact the penalty of sin is spiritual death, separation from God in dispute? Nope so obfuscation.
4) Is all die in Adam in dispute? Nope so more obfuscation
5) Is the fact those saved were made alive together with Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.

Thus all the verses "issued" by EG are non-germane.

Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

You know the whole issue was in part around Psalms 22:1 and it meaning. We have four accounts. With some different details.

 

[Van]

You know the whole issue was in part around Psalms 22:1 and it meaning. We have four accounts. With some different details.

Again a non-response!
Like me saying the whole issue is found in scripture. What issue? What scripture?

1) Did EG cite a verse that says our sin was "imputed" to Christ? Nope as the claim is a fiction.
2) Did EG equate "forsaken" with "the separation caused by sin?" Yes, but just another fiction.
3) Is the fact the penalty of sin is spiritual death, separation from God in dispute? Nope so obfuscation.
4) Is all die in Adam in dispute? Nope so more obfuscation
5) Is the fact those saved were made alive together with Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.

Thus all the verses "issued" by EG are non-germane.

Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

 

[37818]

Again a non-response!
Like me saying the whole issue is found in scripture. What issue? What scripture?

1) Did EG cite a verse that says our sin was "imputed" to Christ? Nope as the claim is a fiction.
2) Did EG equate "forsaken" with "the separation caused by sin?" Yes, but just another fiction.
3) Is the fact the penalty of sin is spiritual death, separation from God in dispute? Nope so obfuscation.
4) Is all die in Adam in dispute? Nope so more obfuscation
5) Is the fact those saved were made alive together with Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.

Thus all by the verses "issued" by EG are non-germane.

Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

My original post was a statement. And @AustinC saved my original argument in post #4. Thanks.

Christ died two deaths.



John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ." Jesus having paid for our sins. And in John 19:30, Jesus states this just before He physically died to be raised physically from the dead to demonstrate He had paid for our sins per 1 Corinthians 15:17.

Mark 15:34-37.
John 19:28-30.
Luke 23:46.
Isaiah 53:6.
Isaiah 53:10-12.
Romans 5:8.

 

[percho]

Adam died the day he ate of the tree. and from that moment, the whole human race was born DEAD,

In Adam all die. even though in Christ shall all be made alive.

We must be born again, because we were spiritually dead. separated from God. Spiritual death is the penalty of sin. Not physical death. As the verse which was posted says, He was MADE ALIVE in the spirit.

Unlike us, he was born, as Adam was created. spiritually alive. So in order for him to be "Made alive" he would have had to have been "made dead"

just like us.

And you he has MADE ALIVE who was dead in trespasses and sin

IMHO the moment Adam ate the fruit, dying he would die.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL,
1) Did EG cite a verse that says our sin was "imputed" to Christ? Nope as the claim is a fiction.
2) Did EG equate "forsaken" with "the separation caused by sin?" Yes, but just another fiction.
3) Is the fact the penalty of sin is spiritual death, separation from God in dispute? Nope so obfuscation.
4) Is all die in Adam in dispute? Nope so more obfuscation
5) Is the fact those saved were made alive together with Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.

Thus all the verses "issued" by EG are non-germane.

Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

You just are unwilling to see. Your stuck, you have a belief, and no matter what anyone says, You will reject it

Gods Christi ous ness was accounted or imputed to abraham

His righteousness is also given to us.

If Jesus paid the penalty for sin. Then our sins must have been put on him. In fact. The Bible says he who knew no sin was MADE SIN.

The scripture does not say trinity either. Let bme guess you do not believe Jesus is God.

As another poster said, Your making utterly no sense here.

If the penalty of sin is separation from God (you claim there is no dispute) Then JESUS HAD TO TAKE THAT PENALTY

Else your still dead in your sin.

You can laugh and mock all you want.. You mock to yourself..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You did not contribute anything but the fallacy of personal incredulity here.

1) Did EG cite a verse that says our sin was "imputed" to Christ? Nope as the claim is a fiction.
2) Did EG equate "forsaken" with "the separation caused by sin?" Yes, but just another fiction.
3) Is the fact the penalty of sin is spiritual death, separation from God in dispute? Nope so obfuscation.
4) Is all die in Adam in dispute? Nope so more obfuscation
5) Is the fact those saved were made alive together with Christ in dispute? Nope so yet more obfuscation.

Thus all the verses "issued" by EG are non-germane.

Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

Dude, I am sick of your nonsense and your petty games.. I do not know what it is on the internet that people think they can mock and belittle others and get away with it. I pray you do not do this when you talk to people in person.

Forsaken MEANS FORSAKEN. The word in the origional text means departed from me

The psalmist foretold that jesus would say it

Jesus said it

The question is not did it happen. It did.

The question is why you reject that it happened?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

IMHO the moment Adam ate the fruit, dying he would die.

He did die.

The same death you were born in. Dead to christ.

Spiritual death is the penalty of sin. Once again, IF PHYSICAL DEATH IS he PENALTY. NNE WILL GO TO HELL. BECAUSE ONCE WE DIE> WE PAID OUT OWN SIN DEBT..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are not making anything understandable here.

Sadly, He can;t make sense. Because he is arguing against somethign that is easy to understand. Except he is unwilling to admit he is wrong.

 

[percho]

He did die.

The same death you were born in. Dead to christ.

Spiritual death is the penalty of sin. Once again, IF PHYSICAL DEATH IS he PENALTY. NNE WILL GO TO HELL. BECAUSE ONCE WE DIE> WE PAID OUT OWN SIN DEBT..

Good old Adam, the first man. The one to bring sin and death into the foundation of the world. Sometime I wonder why that took place?

Who was hanging out down by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What was his relationship relative to the God of creation of the heavens and earth? What power was he in possession thereof?

Gen 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The eighth day is about to begin and what is the God going to do about; that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: and has the power of, the death?

Hebrews 2:6,7,14
But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Forasmuch then as the children [of the above man] are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through [the] death he might destroy him that had the power of [the] death, that is, the devil;

Where was the devil on the eighth day? What is good old Adam going to do and why?

The death?
Physical?
Spiritual?

Or just, the death?

that through the death he might destroy him that had the power of the death,

Through ?????? Experiencing and being saved out of?? Is that what, through, means? Physical or spiritual or just, the death?

Is this post relative to the Word of God, to the death of the Word made flesh?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Good old Adam, the first man. The one to bring sin and death into the foundation of the world. Sometime I wonder why that took place?

Who was hanging out down by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What was his relationship relative to the God of creation of the heavens and earth? What power was he in possession thereof?

Gen 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The eighth day is about to begin and what is the God going to do about; that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: and has the power of, the death?

Hebrews 2:6,7,14
But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Forasmuch then as the children [of the above man] are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through [the] death he might destroy him that had the power of [the] death, that is, the devil;

Where was the devil on the eighth day? What is good old Adam going to do and why?

The death?
Physical?
Spiritual?

Or just, the death?

that through the death he might destroy him that had the power of the death,

Through ?????? Experiencing and being saved out of?? Is that what, through, means? Physical or spiritual or just, the death?

Is this post relative to the Word of God, to the death of the Word made flesh?

why do people make this so difficult.

I was born dead. Jesus told Nicodemus, we had to be born again. Paul said. I was dead in trespasses and sin. I am now made alive in Christ. (born again)

How can I be dead when I am walking, talking, Eating and drinking?

And why, If I am alive, do I need to be born again?

Jesus did make the power of death go away. Because physical death is not the end for those who have been born again, the sting of death has no power.

But if your not born again, The sting of death is the least of your worries. Because you were born in a dead state, you then died in that dead state and will remain in that state forever..

 

[Van]

You just are unwilling to see. Your stuck, you have a belief, and no matter what anyone says, You will reject it

Gods Christi ous ness was accounted or imputed to abraham

His righteousness is also given to us.

If Jesus paid the penalty for sin. Then our sins must have been put on him. In fact. The Bible says he who knew no sin was MADE SIN.

The scripture does not say trinity either. Let bme guess you do not believe Jesus is God.

As another poster said, Your making utterly no sense here.

If the penalty of sin is separation from God (you claim there is no dispute) Then JESUS HAD TO TAKE THAT PENALTY

Else your still dead in your sin.

You can laugh and mock all you want.. You mock to yourself..

Complete fiction. Christ's righteousness was not imputed to Abraham. No verse says or suggests that. God credited Abraham's faith as righteous faith. It was his faith's righteousness, not Abraham's righteousness, that was imputed. This is Christianity 101

 

[Van]

Dude, I am sick of your nonsense and your petty games.. I do not know what it is on the internet that people think they can mock and belittle others and get away with it. I pray you do not do this when you talk to people in person.

Forsaken MEANS FORSAKEN. The word in the origional text means departed from me

The psalmist foretold that jesus would say it

Jesus said it

The question is not did it happen. It did.

The question is why you reject that it happened?

Dude, I am sick of your nonsense and your petty games.
I have posted twice what "forsaken" means contextually. Here it is for the third time: Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

 

[Salty]

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[Eternally Grateful]

Complete fiction. Christ's righteousness was not imputed to Abraham. No verse says or suggests that. God credited Abraham's faith as righteous faith. It was his faith's righteousness, not Abraham's righteousness, that was imputed. This is Christianity 101

my friend we will have to depart.. This is the most nonsensical. unbiblical thing I have ever heard.

If Christs righteousness was not imputed to abraham. He is dead in his sin. If his righteousness is not imputed to all of us. we are still dead in sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dude, I am sick of your nonsense and your petty games.
I have posted twice what "forsaken" means contextually. Here it is for the third time: Did EG respond to the rebuttal, "forsaken" refers to Christ alone being left to suffer and die alone, on the cross alone for the sin of the world alone. Or that the question was rhetorical for the purpose of reminding hearers of who Jesus was, the suffering servant described in Psalm 2? Not a word.

I have responded to you so many times I lost count

(snip)

Once again, We are done.. Thank God this thread is closing.

 

[Van]

my friend we will have to depart.. This is the most nonsensical. unbiblical thing I have ever heard.

If Christs righteousness was not imputed to abraham. He is dead in his sin. If his righteousness is not imputed to all of us. we are still dead in sin.

What about accepting that Abraham underwent the washing of regeneration?

 

[Van]

I have responded to you so many times I lost count

(snip)

Once again, We are done.. Thank God this thread is closing.

LOL, note that EG did not cite the post that addressed the actual meaning of "forsaken!"

 

[Piper]

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Thanks. It got so far off course, it was not even funny.

 

[Van]

Off course? Did Christ die two deaths? Nope.
Why? Because He died once for all. Period.
Is the death he suffered physical or spiritual? Physical, the shedding of blood. Period.

 

[Salty]

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