Did God Depart from Jesus on the Cross?

[JonC]

On a now closed thread I stated that Jesus, the Son of God, suffered and died for our sins.

I can't recall how we got there, but somehow there was confusion about whether I believed God forsake Jesus to suffer and die for our sins.

It has come to my attention that there are a few ways that this is viewed.

Some believe this means God the Father separated from Jesus.
Some believe the Spirit left Jesus.
Some believe the Father and Son experienced a separation in their relationship.

I believe that Psalm 22 prophesied the cross.

This Psalm begins with the Servant crying out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
The Servant is suffering and crying out to God, trusting in God's faithfulness.
The Servant recounts how those of the past called out to God and God responded.
The Servant is suffering unjust

 

[Marooncat79]

And yet, God was in achrist reconciling the world unto Himself. II Cor 5

 

[JonC]

And yet, God was in achrist reconciling the world unto Himself. II Cor 5

Yes....God reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not ccounting man's trespasses against them and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Had God separated from Christ there could have been no reconciliation, no redemption, and no salvation.

Those other ideas are just the result of men being carried away by their own philosophy.

Sometimes people think too much and trust God too little.

 

[JesusFan]

Yes....God reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not ccounting man's trespasses against them and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Had God separated from Christ there could have been no reconciliation, no redemption, and no salvation.

Those other ideas are just the result of men being carried away by their own philosophy.

Sometimes people think too much and trust God too little.

Jesus experience at that time on the cross the separation and being forsaken as all lost sinners will in their judgment

 

[JesusFan]

On a now closed thread I stated that Jesus, the Son of God, suffered and died for our sins.

I can't recall how we got there, but somehow there was confusion about whether I believed God forsake Jesus to suffer and die for our sins.

It has come to my attention that there are a few ways that this is viewed.

Some believe this means God the Father separated from Jesus.
Some believe the Spirit left Jesus.
Some believe the Father and Son experienced a separation in their relationship.

I believe that Psalm 22 prophesied the cross.

This Psalm begins with the Servant crying out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
The Servant is suffering and crying out to God, trusting in God's faithfulness.
The Servant recounts how those of the past called out to God and God responded.
The Servant is suffering unjust

Point 3 is most accurate view . as Jesus never cease being Himself God, nor sinless, but did experience what all lost sinners will in their condemnation

 

[37818]

God cannot cease being God.
Psalm 139:7, Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

 

[Reynolds]

On a now closed thread I stated that Jesus, the Son of God, suffered and died for our sins.

I can't recall how we got there, but somehow there was confusion about whether I believed God forsake Jesus to suffer and die for our sins.

It has come to my attention that there are a few ways that this is viewed.

Some believe this means God the Father separated from Jesus.
Some believe the Spirit left Jesus.
Some believe the Father and Son experienced a separation in their relationship.

I believe that Psalm 22 prophesied the cross.

This Psalm begins with the Servant crying out "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
The Servant is suffering and crying out to God, trusting in God's faithfulness.
The Servant recounts how those of the past called out to God and God responded.
The Servant is suffering unjust

I believe there was a moment in time where God The Father totally severed relationship with God the Son. Jesus suffered separation from The Father so that we would not have to suffer that separation.

 

[JonC]

I believe there was a moment in time where God The Father totally severed relationship with God the Son. Jesus suffered separation from The Father so that we would not have to suffer that separation.

That is a fairly common belief among Calvinists and Arminians. I have heard them preach that they belueve God turned His back on Jesus while Jesus suffered and died.

There are several reasons I do not belueve this the case. One is I nelieve Psalm 22 describes for us what would occur on the Cross. This Psalm begins (the very first verse) with "My God, My God, Why have You forsaken Me?". But throughout the Psalm the writer is clear that God is ever present and the Servant forsaken to suffer, relying on God to at some point provide deliverance from the grave. I believe the Servant in the Psalm to be Christ.

Another reason I do not believe that is the saved are never destined for that separation which is a result of rejecting the Light. This is described as a final judgment at Judgment on the wicked who reject Jesus because they love their wickedness (their deeds are evil, they are not willing to turn away from themselves and they reject the Light).

A third readon is linked to the second. In the Binle we read we must die to the flesh, be refined as precious metal is refined - the impurities burned away. This is being made a new creation in Christ. When we stand before God our identity is Christ (the guilty part of is, the wivked part of us, no longer exists...at Judgment we will not longer are guilty.

There is no need for Christ to have experienced a separation from God if bring born of the Spirit is actually needed. If we are truely transformed into the image of Christ then any separation Christ woukd have experienced from God on the cross was meaningless suffering.

One other reason I'll mention is simply that this idea is not in the Bible itself.

Anyway, not arguing just explaining my reasoning. I don't care what another believes but I do like to understand how they arrived at their beliefs.


Are there any passages that would lead you to that belief and what is your overall thought process regarding this issue?

 

[JonC]

Point 3 is most accurate view . as Jesus never cease being Himself God, nor sinless, but did experience what all lost sinners will in their condemnation

Why would Jesus experienced what all lost sinners would experience in their condemnation?

They are condemned for rejecting the Light. They reject the Light because their deeds are evil.

So essentially you are saying that Jesus had to experience what they will experience even though they will still experience it. Seems like it woukd be pretty meaningless.

 

[Reynolds]

Point 3 is most accurate view . as Jesus never cease being Himself God, nor sinless, but did experience what all lost sinners will in their condemnation

He became sin. He never sinned, but He became guilty for every sin that the elect had ever committed or ever would commit.