Featured Did Jesus die for the sin of unbelief?

Here comes Mr. party pooper... You know I love you Jon but I always wanted to say that... Brother Glen

Btw... You know I wouldn't dare say that, to Squire, or Dr. Bob or Salty

 

So salvation is only for Israel. Good working that out. Lol

 

Thank God it’s closed. The natives were getting restless.

 

So God lied. ... because it also wasn't the "brood of vipers" that Christ found waiting in the First Century or the Unfaithful Bride that God cursed through his prophets.

It could be the TRUE VINE, pruned and grafted by the VINE DRESSER ... but you say no, so God must be wrong and you must be right. There can be no other reasonable explanation, can there?

I am still waiting for you to explain your statement that the people that repented and were baptized and received the Holy Spirit as Peter commanded, were not seeking and did not get saved. When will you answer what I am actually asking you?

 

Maybe you could show a few verses that show what you claim above. Because what you have shown gives no such indication that He plants His faith inside of us. Not to mention if this is true we would have perfect faith from the moment it happened. We do not have perfect faith. We cannot heal the sick or raise the dead. We cannot resurrect our selves. These are things of perfect faith. I once thought what you think about this verse. However what is planted in our selves is the seed or the Word of God. Which is what makes our faith grow and leads us to Salvation.
MB

 

Yep. Paul tells us where we were. (We missed the mark and were dead). And Paul tells us where we are. (God made us alive, He took us and brought us to the mark and beyond.)
It's all God.
You and I had zero faith or capacity to generate faith until God chose, by grace, to save us and give us the faith to believe.

 

My turn to ask you for the verse that teaches this.

 

We all strived to please God in our flesh. We attempt it. We fail miserably and miss the mark. We miss so badly that we were dead in our trespasses and sins. This is what Paul is conveying in the first verse of Ephesians 2.
Indeed, no one can make oneself alive, therefore only God can make us alive and cause us to not only hit the mark, but to surpass it. This is why God has ordained good works for us, precisely because God has already brought us beyond the mark.

 

One more time, from the top ...

[Act 2:37-39 NIV]

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."​

 

Our opinions may not matter to God but what we teach does. When you say Christians disagree on whether the atonement is limited or unlimited it makes me think that Christians do not disagree on that doctrine. Religious people disagrees on that point. Christians believe God and the words he says. Some things are fundamental to the Christian faith and the atonement is just one of many things that Calvinists denies.I could post 50 verses that are clear and simple that the Reformed says are not true on the surface.or they put a bent on. While our Lord Jesus paid the sin debt on the tree the record is God’s. It is he who justifies.

Romans 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

He justifies those who believe what he says.

Romans 4:23-25
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

It was God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead Gal 1:1

God does not justify anyone who does not believe what he says. Calvinists May say they believe in Jesus and even that he died on the cross and rose from the dead but they do not believe what God says about it. They believe what men say about it and that is different than what God says about it. There is not a single place in the scriptures that says the atonement is limited to a certain few Reformed believers, yet that is what they believe. They are not believing God about it so who are they believing? God addresses full atonement in several places in the scriptures but one of the clearest things he says is that Jesus Christ took away the sin of the world when he died on the cross. God did say that. He said he is not imputing sin to the sinner while he is living because he was fully satisfied with the sacrifice that was made on behalf of men by his Son on the cross. The Reformed does not believe the clear and plain statement that Jesus Christ put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. This is not a trifling disagreement between Christians. If God looks at the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as putting away sin then he has been reconciled to men and any sinner hearing this wonderful message about what Jesus did for us has an open invitation to come to God through him and God has said that he will receive any and all who will come. That is the invitation of God the Father that he has put in the record. Men who denies this are not justified because they do not believe what God says.

The devil is subtle. It is tragic that believers will trim the message to accept those who do not believe and who confuse the simple things of God when we aught to be calling on them to repent and be saved. Atonement is not salvation. Atonement is the act of God in dealing with sin, the one thing that separates God and men. Men have been desperately wicked since the cross but God has not showed up one time to judge men for their wickedness. He has a time appointed when he will show up and he has warned us about it but he is not imputing sin now and the worse sinner can repent and God will receive him on the merits of Jesus Christ. Men’s sins will be waiting on them when they die if they do not get saved while they live.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgment.