Did manking evolve from other primates, or By Creation by God?

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

I found this article from AIG under the question "Are there beneficial mutations?"

It is true that there are people who have mutations with beneficial outcomes. For example, individuals with the CCR5 mutation who are exposed to HIV are not likely to develop an infection and subsequently AIDS. Individuals who develop cancer but have certain mutations can be effectively treated with a certain class of cancer drugs. However, there may be currently unknown detrimental effects from these mutations as well.

For example, studies have shown that people with the CCR5 mutation may be at a higher risk of developing West Nile Virus illness and hepatitis C. In addition, the detrimental effects may not be detrimental enough to affect the overall fitness of the individual, and thus, the ability of the individuals to survive in most environments does not differ from those without the mutations. These mutations are not selected against by natural selection, and so, they remain in the population. In humans, determining the beneficial or detrimental outcomes of mutations is many times difficult to assess since the mutations do not result in a “live or die” situation as is often the case for bacteria (i.e. upon exposure to antibiotics).

Again, the mutations only improve a person’s chance for survival in a given environment (external or internal), such as if the person is exposed to HIV or cancer develops within a person’s body. It is possible that the mutations would not be beneficial in other environments (i.e. if the person is exposed to West Nile Virus).

Keep in mind that beneficial, information-gaining mutations are a necessary mechanism of molecules-to-man evolution, so focusing on any potential for this is essential for evolutionists. What doesn’t seem to be often addressed is the vast amount of data to the contrary. But even if there were a clearly beneficial mutation, this would by no means “prove” the mechanism for evolution (for one thing, beneficial, information-gaining mutations would have to be a regularly occurring phenomenon and would have to “build” on previous mutations so as not to be “undone” and to keep the evolution going “uphill”), nor negate the truth of God’s revelation of His Creation in Genesis.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

the shame is to believe false statements in your reading. there is no mutations that are benificial.

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

 

[jbh28]

CLICK HERE

Most are neither harmful or helpful.

I asked can you give us an example. One example. don't just be lazy and post a link.

 

[freeatlast]

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

Show us a mutation that has enhanced the gene pool.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You can't read apparently, but here is another.

All humans have a gene for a protein called Apolipoprotein AI, which is part of the system that transports cholesterol through the bloodstream. Apo-AI is one of the HDLs, already known to be beneficial because they remove cholesterol from artery walls. But a small community in Italy is known to have a mutant version of this protein, named Apolipoprotein AI-Milano, or Apo-AIM for short. Apo-AIM is even more effective than Apo-AI at removing cholesterol from cells and dissolving arterial plaques, and additionally functions as an antioxidant, preventing some of the damage from inflammation that normally occurs in arteriosclerosis. People with the Apo-AIM gene have significantly lower levels of risk than the general population for heart attack and stroke, and pharmaceutical companies are looking into marketing an artificial version of the protein as a cardioprotective drug.

From HERE

If by some weird chance, you are truly interested in learning, do some research. I won't do your work for you. But we both know you are baiting, and have no interest in facts.

 

[HankD]

Do those holding to theistic evolution here have consensus on this?

After I was first saved I did.

Henri Bergson wrote Creative Evolution which was one of the required books for a college philosophy course I took.

IMO, The idea of creative evolution required a split faith.
The ideas of men (howbeit scientific) and the Word of God.

I decided to keep it simple and have been a young earth creationist for almost 50 years.

HankD

 

[righteousdude2]

It's an Either, Or; Black or White. There's No Grey on this Topic!

I behold to God being the sole creator of mankind. I refuse to behold to any theory that makes me the great-grand nephew of a monkey or an ape :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Mlinar13b]

I refuse to behold to any theory that makes me the great-grand nephew of a monkey or an ape :smilewinkgrin:

Amen to that! I always find it amusing how mankind likes to walk around patting himself on the back for the "great strides in evolution" he thinks he made!

 

[mandym]

Do those holding to theistic evolution here have consensus on this?

Do you put any effort at all into your spelling?

 

[blackbird]

If Chimpanzees evolved into man-----big question we need to ask is---how come they stopped????

 

[freeatlast]

You can't read apparently, but here is another.

All humans have a gene for a protein called Apolipoprotein AI, which is part of the system that transports cholesterol through the bloodstream. Apo-AI is one of the HDLs, already known to be beneficial because they remove cholesterol from artery walls. But a small community in Italy is known to have a mutant version of this protein, named Apolipoprotein AI-Milano, or Apo-AIM for short. Apo-AIM is even more effective than Apo-AI at removing cholesterol from cells and dissolving arterial plaques, and additionally functions as an antioxidant, preventing some of the damage from inflammation that normally occurs in arteriosclerosis. People with the Apo-AIM gene have significantly lower levels of risk than the general population for heart attack and stroke, and pharmaceutical companies are looking into marketing an artificial version of the protein as a cardioprotective drug.

From HERE

If by some weird chance, you are truly interested in learning, do some research. I won't do your work for you. But we both know you are baiting, and have no interest in facts.

Mutations are the loss of information not the gaining of information. If by chance a mutation causes some seeming benefit it also causes a loss. All mutations are a downward spiral not an upward one.
http://creation.com/a-i-milano-mutationevidence-for-evolution

 

[freeatlast]

If Chimpanzees evolved into man-----big question we need to ask is---how come they stopped????

Perhaps that is why God rested. He got tired of all that monkey business. :laugh:

 

[Oldtimer]

Some mutations are beneficial...some are not.

Do you agree that God created man in His own image?

If you agree with that premise, how can mutations to what God created be beneficial? Did God form an imperfect creation from the dust?

When trying to show that some "mutations" are beneficial can you prove that a particular DNA sequence did not exist in Adam? Does any scientist know the exact sequencing of DNA in Noah and his family? Can any scientist prove that a particular DNA segment wasn't retained by a small portion of the decendents of the family who repopulated the earth?

 

[HankD]

If Chimpanzees evolved into man-----big question we need to ask is---how come they stopped????

Similarly:

Creative evolution says living species evolved into new forms and the old were abandoned.

Henri Bergson called this driving principle the elan vital.

Why then are there still chimpanzees hanging around if man is the improvement?

HankD

 

[Bro. James]

The answer still lies in: How did 100 plus inorganic elements evolve into a living organism--with a soul? Punctuated--Word of God. i.e. What was the mechanism of the dead becoming alive? Primordial ooze and lighting is not sufficient without an outside mechanism as a catalyst.

The world is filled with Pan-theists and followers of Peter of Pan. Evolution is religion of science without a real scientific methodology. It can neither be proven or disproven. "In the beginning----Big Bang--by Higgs Bosons in half a femtosecond is insufficient." Evolution and creation both belong in the religion class.

Time: a curious commodity. There is not enough elapsed time for evolution even with a finely calibrated picosecond meter. That is why we keep moving the bounds. Have we ever considered the statistical probabilities of evolution? Nil, zip, nada, no es possible.

Where will we spend eternity--evolving to gods?

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of: The Living God.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Peace,

Bro. James

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I would like to know how sex evolved. When did organisms stop splitting and start copulating ?

 

[HankD]

I would like to know how sex evolved. When did organisms stop splitting and start copulating ?

With the arrival of Mr. and Mrs Thallophyte - residents of Primordial Swamp City.

HankD

 

[Magnetic Poles]

If Chimpanzees evolved into man-----big question we need to ask is---how come they stopped????

This is a variation on "If humans evolved from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?"

This is like saying "If man came from dust, how come there is still dust?" Or if white Americans came from Europeans, how come there are still Europeans?"

Seriously, modern apes and monkeys did not evolve one from the other. Rather we all have a common ancestor, but depending on a number of factors (including environment, natural selection, etc.) took a divergent evolutionary path.

I am reminded of this:

Evolution - The Monkey's Viewpoint

Three monkeys sat in a cocoanut tree
Discussing things as they're said to be.
Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
There's a certain rumor that can't be true.
That man descended from our noble race-
The very idea! It's a dire disgrace.

No monkey ever deserted his wife,
Starved her babies and ruined her life,
And you've never known a mother monk
To leave her babies with others to bunk,
Or pass them on from one to another
'Til they hardly know who is their mother.

And another thing! You will never see. . .
A monk build a fence 'round a cocoanut tree
And let the cocoanuts go to waste,
Forbidding all other monks to taste.
Why, if I put a fence around the tree,
Starvation would force you to steal from me.

Here's another thing a monk won't do. . .
Go out at night and get on a stew,
Or use a gun or club or knife
To take some other monkey's life,
Yes, Man descended, the ornery cuss. . .
But brother he didn't descend from us!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a variation on "If humans evolved from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?"

This is like saying "If man came from dust, how come there is still dust?" Or if white Americans came from Europeans, how come there are still Europeans?"

Seriously, modern apes and monkeys did not evolve one from the other. Rather we all have a common ancestor, but depending on a number of factors (including environment, natural selection, etc.) took a divergent evolutionary path.

I am reminded of this:

Evolution - The Monkey's Viewpoint

Three monkeys sat in a cocoanut tree
Discussing things as they're said to be.
Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
There's a certain rumor that can't be true.
That man descended from our noble race-
The very idea! It's a dire disgrace.

No monkey ever deserted his wife,
Starved her babies and ruined her life,
And you've never known a mother monk
To leave her babies with others to bunk,
Or pass them on from one to another
'Til they hardly know who is their mother.

And another thing! You will never see. . .
A monk build a fence 'round a cocoanut tree
And let the cocoanuts go to waste,
Forbidding all other monks to taste.
Why, if I put a fence around the tree,
Starvation would force you to steal from me.

Here's another thing a monk won't do. . .
Go out at night and get on a stew,
Or use a gun or club or knife
To take some other monkey's life,
Yes, Man descended, the ornery cuss. . .
But brother he didn't descend from us!

So How did man evolve a soul, and what does "made in image of God" mean, as NO other primates had that?

And would "survival of fittest" mean humans would have gotten beatten down by other primates, as they are stronger/faster than us?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

So How did man evolve a soul, and what does "made in image of God" mean, as NO other primates had that?

And would "survival of fittest" mean humans would have gotten beatten down by other primates, as they are stronger/faster than us?

Again, as I have already said, science deals with the natural world. The existence of a soul is not something that can be proven or measured by any kind of test. And how do you know that if a soul exists, that other primates lack one?

And as for other creatures beating down humans, that may be what happened to the Neanderthals.