Different interpretations based on different interpretations.... lol

[Silverhair]

Mary didn’t call herself a sinner. False, and unscriptural.

Mary said “ My Spirit rejoices in God MY Saviour.”

Jesus hadn’t died on the cross yet when she said those words. No one had been saved at the time she said this.

What did God save her from?

By saying she needed a savior she admitted she was a sinner. What do you mean she could not call herself a sinner? Do you think all those that lived prior to the death of Christ did not know they were sinners? The bible would disagree with you on that Joh_8:7 ... “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

She knew that Christ was God so yes she could call Him her savior. Luk 1:35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God.

Your arguments are just foolish. You know you have no basis for support of the errant RCC dogma's so you come up with wild claims.

 

[Silverhair]

He was son of man as well, He was fully human, taking his humanity from His Mother who conceived Him.

Mary conceived Jesus of her flesh, and that could only happen if Mary was sinless.
If Mary was a sinner, Jesus would have been as well.

It couldn’t have happened if Mary was a sinner. Obviously she was sinless.

That is a circular argument Cathode. The bible disagrees with you and you refuse to believe the bible. Why is that?

 

[Silverhair]

Mary was saved from falling into original and personal sin from her conception.

“and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!”

Mary was saved from all sin. You can be saved before you fall into a pit and you can be saved after you fall into a pit. She was saved before she could into the pit of sin.

That’s why she calls God “my Saviour “ , long before Jesus died on the Cross. Not ‘our Saviour ‘ , “ my Saviour “.

So Scripture shows Mary was sinless, and thus Jesus could be conceived of her sinless flesh.

Catholics were right after all.

Your logic is flawed as she would have had to be born sinless, which is what the RCC claims, which means that her parents would have to be sinless which means that their parents would have to be sinless and so on and so on back to Adam.

Cathode you have no biblical support for your view, you are depending upon the dogma's of the RCC. If you had any biblical support you would have provided them by now. I have shown you from the bible why your views are wrong why will you not trust what the Holy Spirit inspired?

When you can support your views from scripture then we can have a logical and reasonable discussion but until then it is just the errant opinions of the RCC that you are presenting.

We will not be able to have constructive discussions until you are willing to be truthful and admit that the RCC dogma's are not based on the bible.

 

[37818]

He was son of man as well, He was fully human, taking his humanity from His Mother who conceived Him.

Mary conceived Jesus of her flesh, and that could only happen if Mary was sinless.
If Mary was a sinner, Jesus would have been as well.

It couldn’t have happened if Mary was a sinner. Obviously she was sinless.

He Himself was the sole cause per John 1:14 per John 1:2-3. Per the Father, John 17:3.

 

[Cathode]

That is a circular argument Cathode. The bible disagrees with you and you refuse to believe the bible. Why is that?

You are wrong, and your understanding of scripture is wrong.

You calling Mary a sinner calls Jesus a sinner. That is false and Bible butchery.

Mary conceived Jesus of her sinless flesh, otherwise Jesus would have been conceived in sin and a sinner from conception.

This is why I warn people about private interpretation.
You are in practical denial of Jesus sinlessness if you think he was conceived of a sinner.

 

[Cathode]

He Himself was the sole cause per John 1:14 per John 1:2-3. Per the Father, John 17:3.

You aren’t making sense.

 

[Cathode]

Your logic is flawed as she would have had to be born sinless, which is what the RCC claims, which means that her parents would have to be sinless which means that their parents would have to be sinless and so on and so on back to Adam.

Garbage. Mary was given a singular grace. That Grace was God saving her from original and personal sin, “ rejoices in God MY Saviour “ To be preserved from original and personal sin for her mission as the Mother of God.

If you are saying Jesus was conceived and born of a sinner, you are saying Jesus was a sinner.

That’s where private interpretation has landed you.

 

[Cathode]

We will not be able to have constructive discussions until you are willing to be truthful and admit that the RCC dogma's are not based on the bible.

Stop saying Jesus was conceived and born of a sinner, to hold to that says Jesus was a sinner. Which is utterly false and blasphemy.

 

[Silverhair]

You are wrong, and your understanding of scripture is wrong.

You calling Mary a sinner calls Jesus a sinner. That is false and Bible butchery.

Mary conceived Jesus of her sinless flesh, otherwise Jesus would have been conceived in sin and a sinner from conception.

This is why I warn people about private interpretation.
You are in practical denial of Jesus sinlessness if you think he was conceived of a sinner.

Cathode you are giving me RCC dogma. Where is your scripture to support your foolish claim? Private interpretation would be if I changed the text of the bible. I do not do that but the RCC has as you well know.

 

[Cathode]

Cathode you are giving me RCC dogma. Where is your scripture to support your foolish claim? Private interpretation would be if I changed the text of the bible. I do not do that but the RCC has as you well know.

You can’t answer can you.

Your in the ridiculous position of asserting Jesus sinlessness, whilst simultaneously asserting that Jesus was conceived of sinful flesh.

That’s the “ foolish claim “.

Either Mary was sinless, or Jesus was a sinner, decide.

 

[37818]

You aren’t making sense.

That the Son of God caused solely Himself to become man in that He is solely the Creator on behalf of God the Father.
John 1:1-3, ". . . and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:14, ". . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Colossians 1:15-18, ". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; . . ."
So by the Son of God as God the Creator for the Father being incaranate becoming a man He became part of His own creation. Colossians 1:20, ". . . And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. . . ."

 

[Cathode]

That the Son of God caused solely Himself to become man in that He is solely the Creator on behalf of God the Father.
John 1:1-3, ". . . and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
John 1:14, ". . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Colossians 1:15-18, ". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; . . ."

And therefore.....?

 

[Silverhair]

Garbage. Mary was given a singular grace. That Grace was God saving her from original and personal sin, “ rejoices in God MY Saviour “ To be preserved from original and personal sin for her mission as the Mother of God.

If you are saying Jesus was conceived and born of a sinner, you are saying Jesus was a sinner.

That’s where private interpretation has landed you.

I trust what the bible says you have trusted what the corrupt RCC has told you. I do feel sorry for you. You seem like someone that wants to know the truth but you have been misled by the RCC and convinced that you could not possibly understand the bible on your own.

 

[Cathode]

I trust what the bible says you have trusted what the corrupt RCC has told you. I do feel sorry for you. You seem like someone that wants to know the truth but you have been misled by the RCC and convinced that you could not possibly understand the bible on your own.

You aren’t answering the question.

Was Jesus conceived of a sinner, sinful flesh?

Yes or no.

 

[Silverhair]

You can’t answer can you.

Your in the ridiculous position of asserting Jesus sinlessness, whilst simultaneously asserting that Jesus was conceived of sinful flesh.

That’s the “ foolish claim “.

Either Mary was sinless, or Jesus was a sinner, decide.

Mary calls herself a sinner and you deny this. Christ is God and thus sinless and you deny this.

Heb_4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.
So we see that Christ was sinless

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
And we see here that all are sinners.

Strange how people knew they were sinners in need of a savior and yet you think mary could not have know this:
Luk_1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
Mary knew see was a sinner and needed a savior

Did David know, yes
Psa_38:22 Come quickly to help me, O Lord my Savior.

Psa_43:5...Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.

So yes I can answer your foolish question but you have yet to even make the attempt to answer mine. Why is that Cathode. Are you trying to deflect from your RCC shortcomings?

 

[Cathode]

Mary calls herself a sinner and you deny this. Christ is God and thus sinless and you deny this.

Heb_4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.
So we see that Christ was sinless

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
And we see here that all are sinners.

Strange how people knew they were sinners in need of a savior and yet you think mary could not have know this:
Luk_1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
Mary knew see was a sinner and needed a savior

Did David know, yes
Psa_38:22 Come quickly to help me, O Lord my Savior.

Psa_43:5...Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.

So yes I can answer your foolish question but you have yet to even make the attempt to answer mine. Why is that Cathode. Are you trying to deflect from your RCC shortcomings?

You aren’t answering the question.

Was Jesus conceived of a sinner, sinful flesh?

Yes or no.

 

[Silverhair]

You aren’t answering the question.

Was Jesus conceived of a sinner, sinful flesh?

Yes or no.

How many times do I have to post the scripture before you will believe it?
Luk_1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
Mary knew she was a sinner and needed a savior.

You can try to avoid the truth but you can only do it if you deny the Word of God. Are you going to continue to deny the Word of God?

Cathode you can either believe the inspired word of God or you can believe the dogma's of the RCC. You cannot do both. One will save you the other will call your salvation into question.

You are saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8. You are not saved by being a member of the RCC, keeping the sacraments, having mary pray for you, having a priest forgive your sins, doing good works and the list could go on.
You have placed your eternal future in the hands of fallen man rather than the hands of the eternal God and savior Christ Jesus.

 

[Cathode]

Mary calls herself a sinner

No she didn’t, that’s your false interpretation of her words.

 

[Cathode]

How many times do I have to post the scripture before you will believe it?
Luk_1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
Mary knew she was a sinner and needed a savior.

You can try to avoid the truth but you can only do it if you deny the Word of God. Are you going to continue to deny the Word of God?

Cathode you can either believe the inspired word of God or you can believe the dogma's of the RCC. You cannot do both. One will save you the other will call your salvation into question.

You are saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8. You are not saved by being a member of the RCC, keeping the sacraments, having mary pray for you, having a priest forgive your sins, doing good works and the list could go on.
You have placed your eternal future in the hands of fallen man rather than the hands of the eternal God and savior Christ Jesus.

So was Jesus conceived of a sinner?

Yes or no.

 

[Silverhair]

You aren’t answering the question.

Was Jesus conceived of a sinner, sinful flesh?

Yes or no.

Cathode I can see that you will not accept the Word of God. The bible is clear that the sinless Christ Jesus was born of a sinful woman.

It is the RCC dogma based on a private interpretation of fallen men that you are following.

If you are not willing to trust the word of the Holy Spirit then what hope is there for you.