Different interpretations based on different interpretations.... lol

[Silverhair]

I look up like the angels do when they are praying.

To an idol called mary or your "saints". That is a form of pagan worship.

 

[Silverhair]

Catholics can’t ignore Mary either, as we imitate Jesus Mary is our Mother, and as Jesus is our King, Mary is our Queen.
She says “ Do as He tells you “.

So there’s no arguing with Mother.

Only someone as indoctrinated as you are would think that prayers to a dead person is a good thing. That is necromancy.

Lev 19:31 Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the LORD your God.
Deu 18:11 casts spells, consults a medium or spiritist, or inquires of the dead.

But then the RCC based upon it's unbiblical Apostolic tradition has told you that necromancy is a good thing.

 

[Cathode]

Mary being alive in Christ is not alive so that you should pray to her. By your logic I should be able to pray to my dead mother and father and have them intercede with Christ. It would be no different than mary. They were all just sinners saved through the only means of salvation faith in the risen Christ.

Those in Heaven can pray for us. But with Mary her prayers carry the weight of the Commandments behind it as Jesus Mother, Jesus couldn’t refuse her even though His time had not yet come. That’s how powerful she is with Jesus.
She obtained the finest wine for people advocating to Jesus, that wine impossible to obtain otherwise.

“ They have no wine “

We ask her to obtain the finest wine of Jesus mercy for us.

“Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.“

You did actually say one thing that is true about mary, she was an unholy, poor, lowly, peasant, sinner woman from Nazareth. The fact that God chose her to carry the Christ child does not elevate her to holy status or mean that she can forgive sin, that is blasphemy.

She wasn’t just the carrier of the Christ child, She is the Mother of God, and Jesus honours her as a Commandment, even if you harden your heart against her and refuse her honour.
She is the Ark of The New Covenant, the Mercy Seat and you are mishandling it.

There was no mercy for those mishandling the Mercy Seat. She is The Spouse of The Holy Spirit. That’s why I don’t like to talk to those who denigrate her, for their sake.

You keep saying Apostolic tradition which something that, I assume, your RCC taught you. But if the RCC authority comes from Apostolic tradition which it must as it is not in the bible then you are depending upon circular reasoning to support your claims.

Of cause you don’t know Apostolic Tradition. You’ve been brought up in a system that treats Scripture is a matter of opinion and think it’s normal from young age.
The idea of a singular objective interpretation of scripture is alien to you by circumstance and history of your traditions.

I have shown you a list of just some of the errant views the RCC has and asked you to provide biblical support for them . You have not support even one. You keep saying, but Apostolic tradition as if that is a magic bullet. The RCC is a house of cards built on personal interpretation of the bible and as you keep saying why would you trust that.

Bible alone traditions are a house of cards, they have been collapsing and splintering in their interpretations ever since Luther came up with the idea.

 

[Cathode]

Only someone as indoctrinated as you are would think that prayers to a dead person is a good thing. That is necromancy.

Lev 19:31 Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the LORD your God.
Deu 18:11 casts spells, consults a medium or spiritist, or inquires of the dead.

But then the RCC based upon it's unbiblical Apostolic tradition has told you that necromancy is a good thing.

Necromancy is summoning the dead, channeling in today’s terminology, which is channeling demons in reality. That’s totally different, it is preternatural not supernatural power.

You really don’t understand.

 

[Cathode]

To an idol called mary or your "saints". That is a form of pagan worship.

False.

 

[Silverhair]

Those in Heaven can pray for us. But with Mary her prayers carry the weight of the Commandments behind it as Jesus Mother, Jesus couldn’t refuse her even though His time had not yet come. That’s how powerful she is with Jesus.
She obtained the finest wine for people advocating to Jesus, that wine impossible to obtain otherwise.

“ They have no wine “

We ask her to obtain the finest wine of Jesus mercy for us.

“Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.“



She wasn’t just the carrier of the Christ child, She is the Mother of God, and Jesus honours her as a Commandment, even if you harden your heart against her and refuse her honour.
She is the Ark of The New Covenant, the Mercy Seat and you are mishandling it.

There was no mercy for those mishandling the Mercy Seat. She is The Spouse of The Holy Spirit. That’s why I don’t like to talk to those who denigrate her, for their sake.



Of cause you don’t know Apostolic Tradition. You’ve been brought up in a system that treats Scripture is a matter of opinion and think it’s normal from young age.
The idea of a singular objective interpretation of scripture is alien to you by circumstance and history of your traditions.



Bible alone traditions are a house of cards, they have been collapsing and splintering in their interpretations ever since Luther came up with the idea.

You or actually the CC has a great imagination. You come up with the most fantastic stories. That they are not biblical does not seem to matter to you.

 

[Cathode]

You or actually the CC has a great imagination. You come up with the most fantastic stories. That they are not biblical does not seem to matter to you.

There is a supernatural reality, a spiritual world you seem completely oblivious to. It’s seems to me like you treat scripture like dry legal text to legalise over, and call that religion.
For some reason you have not seen the spiritual worlds realities for all your quoting of scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

There is a supernatural reality, a spiritual world you seem completely oblivious to. It’s seems to me like you treat scripture like dry legal text to legalise over, and call that religion.
For some reason you have not seen the spiritual worlds realities for all your quoting of scripture.

You sure do like to make judgements of me when you know nothing about what I believe. I have taken the time to look into the RCC and there errant ideas. Since you insist on supporting that view without any biblical support I can conclude that you are just an indoctrinated follower that is afraid to actually read the scriptures with a critical eye.

When you actually provide some biblical support for your views then we could have a real discussion but since no biblical support is available for your view that is not going to happen is it.

 

[Oseas3]

You sure do like to make judgements of me when you know nothing about what I believe. I have taken the time to look into the RCC and there errant ideas. Since you insist on supporting that view without any biblical support I can conclude that you are just an indoctrinated follower that is afraid to actually read the scriptures with a critical eye.

When you actually provide some biblical support for your views then we could have a real discussion but since no biblical support is available for your view that is not going to happen is it.

It took you a while to realize that you shouldn't have given place to the Devil, as the Word of GOD recommends-Ephesians 4:27.

Peter Apostle warned: your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

And Paul Apostle warned, saying: 1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

To fight against Satan-the red Dragon- now in the end of the times,-Revelation 12:7- you must use a sharp Sword-Hebrews 4:12-13, even a rod of iron-Revelation 2:26-29

 

[Cathode]

You sure do like to make judgements of me when you know nothing about what I believe. I have taken the time to look into the RCC and there errant ideas. Since you insist on supporting that view without any biblical support I can conclude that you are just an indoctrinated follower that is afraid to actually read the scriptures with a critical eye.

When you actually provide some biblical support for your views then we could have a real discussion but since no biblical support is available for your view that is not going to happen is it.

In practicality, you seem to be holding that Jesus was a sinner, and you have not denied it.
Like I said, this is the tragedy of private interpretation of Scripture. This is where it leads.
Was Jesus conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity?

 

[Silverhair]

It took you a while to realize that you shouldn't have given place to the Devil, as the Word of GOD recommends-Ephesians 4:27.

Peter Apostle warned: your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

And Paul Apostle warned, saying: 1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

To fight against Satan-the red Dragon- now in the end of the times,-Revelation 12:7- you must use a sharp Sword-Hebrews 4:12-13, even a rod of iron-Revelation 2:26-29

I do not think you should be referring to the catholic religion as that of the devil. I do not agree with the RCC but even they have much in common with Christians. My disagreement with Cathode, as he knows, is the things that the RCC has added to the bible. The dogma's etc.

You may strongly disagree with the RCC, as I do, but you will never be able to help someone in that religion if you do not do it from a position of care and love for their soul.

 

[Silverhair]

In practicality, you seem to be holding that Jesus was a sinner, and you have not denied it.
Like I said, this is the tragedy of private interpretation of Scripture. This is where it leads.
Was Jesus conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity?

Where do you come up with such a ridiculous idea. When have I even suggested that Christ was a sinner? You are now showing your desperation. I have asked you to provide any support for the dogma's of the RCC and when you can not you make the veiled accusation that I am not a Christian..

If you can not support your views then say you can not. You have accepted the dogma's of the RCC without ever checking out whether they are biblical or not.

By your own words you hold mary in an equal or higher status than Christ. "But with Mary her prayers carry the weight of the Commandments behind it as Jesus Mother, Jesus couldn’t refuse her..." To use your words again "Mary as an unholy, poor, lowly, peasant, sinner woman from Nazareth". She needed a savior just as the rest of us and she even knew this Luk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! But you do not seem to understand this as the RCC has told you she was sinless. Just another dogma you believe over the bible.

It is not private interpretation it is just trusting what the bible actually says rather than trusting what some institution, the RCC, has told you to believe.

 

[Cathode]

Where do you come up with such a ridiculous idea. When have I even suggested that Christ was a sinner? You are now showing your desperation. I have asked you to provide any support for the dogma's of the RCC and when you can not you make the veiled accusation that I am not a Christian..

If you can not support your views then say you can not. You have accepted the dogma's of the RCC without ever checking out whether they are biblical or not.

By your own words you hold mary in an equal or higher status than Christ. "But with Mary her prayers carry the weight of the Commandments behind it as Jesus Mother, Jesus couldn’t refuse her..." To use your words again "Mary as an unholy, poor, lowly, peasant, sinner woman from Nazareth". She needed a savior just as the rest of us and she even knew this Luk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! But you do not seem to understand this as the RCC has told you she was sinless. Just another dogma you believe over the bible.

It is not private interpretation it is just trusting what the bible actually says rather than trusting what some institution, the RCC, has told you to believe.

How was Jesus not a sinner, if Mary conceived Him of sinful flesh?

You say Mary was a sinner, we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh.
Denying Mary’s sinlessness, denies Jesus sinlessness.

 

[Silverhair]

How was Jesus not a sinner, if Mary conceived Him of sinful flesh?

You say Mary was a sinner, we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh.
Denying Mary’s sinlessness, denies Jesus sinlessness.

So your calling Christ, the lamb of God, a sinner and saying that mary who called herself a sinner sinless. You have some serious problems Cathode. The RCC has indoctrinated you to believe their false dogma's

You say "we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh" now that is either RCC dogma that has no basis in truth or you have clear scripture to support your view.

 

[Cathode]

So your calling Christ, the lamb of God, a sinner and saying that mary who called herself a sinner sinless. You have some serious problems Cathode. The RCC has indoctrinated you to believe false doctrine.

You say "we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh" now that is either RCC dogma that has no basis in truth or you have clear scripture to support your view.

So how was Jesus not a sinner, if Mary conceived Him as a sinner?

Was He like David, conceived of sinful flesh and shapen in iniquity?

 

[37818]

How was Jesus not a sinner, if Mary conceived Him of sinful flesh?

He was always both the Son of God and God the Creator. John 1:1-3. Luke 18:19. Romans 8:3. Galatians 4:4.

 

[Cathode]

So your calling Christ, the lamb of God, a sinner and saying that mary who called herself a sinner sinless. You have some serious problems Cathode. The RCC has indoctrinated you to believe false doctrine.

Mary didn’t call herself a sinner. False, and unscriptural.

Mary said “ My Spirit rejoices in God MY Saviour.”

Jesus hadn’t died on the cross yet when she said those words. No one had been saved at the time she said this.

What did God save her from?

 

[Silverhair]

So how was Jesus not a sinner, if Mary conceived Him as a sinner?

Was He like David, conceived of sinful flesh and shapen in iniquity?

Your do you avoid the question Cathode? Was mary a sinner? The bible says she was so why do you disagree?

You say "we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh" now that is either RCC dogma that has no basis in truth or you have clear scripture to support your view. Cathode you can ignore the truth but it is still the truth. The RCC has lied to you and all those that have accepted their dogma's.

Do you deny the inspired word of God Luk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!

 

[Cathode]

He was always both the Son of God and God the Creator. John 1:1-3. Luke 18:19. Romans 8:3. Galatians 4:4.

He was son of man as well, He was fully human, taking his humanity from His Mother who conceived Him.

Mary conceived Jesus of her flesh, and that could only happen if Mary was sinless.
If Mary was a sinner, Jesus would have been as well.

It couldn’t have happened if Mary was a sinner. Obviously she was sinless.

 

[Cathode]

Your do you avoid the question Cathode? Was mary a sinner? The bible says she was so why do you disagree?

You say "we know she was sinless, and conceived Jesus in sinless flesh" now that is either RCC dogma that has no basis in truth or you have clear scripture to support your view. Cathode you can ignore the truth but it is still the truth. The RCC has lied to you and all those that have accepted their dogma's.

Do you deny the inspired word of God Luk 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!

Mary was saved from falling into original and personal sin from her conception.

“and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!”

Mary was saved from all sin. You can be saved before you fall into a pit and you can be saved after you fall into a pit. She was saved before she could into the pit of sin.

That’s why she calls God “my Saviour “ , long before Jesus died on the Cross. Not ‘our Saviour ‘ , “ my Saviour “.

So Scripture shows Mary was sinless, and thus Jesus could be conceived of her sinless flesh.

Catholics were right after all.