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Scarlett O.

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A man with no beginning and no ending, no parents and no family ( Hebrews 7:1-3 ), who Abraham gave tithes to after going and getting his nephew Lot back from the kings Genesis 14:18-20.

He is a "type" of Christ.

I've read some commentators that say the passage you listed is describing his not having to have qualifications to be a priest as the priests under the law. had.

"No beginning or end" = No age requirements to join or to leave as the Bible gives for Levitical priests. Ages 25 - 50. No earlier no later. Numbers 8:24 - 26

"No mother or father" = No genealogy required as for Levitical priests.
 

Dave G

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I've read some commentators that say the passage you listed is describing his not having to have qualifications to be a priest as the priests under the law. had.

"No beginning or end" = No age requirements to join or to leave as the Bible gives for Levitical priests. Ages 25 - 50. No earlier no later. Numbers 8:24 - 26

"No mother or father" = No genealogy required as for Levitical priests.
I believe it as it's stated:

" Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." ( Hebrews 7:3 ).


Similar to the angel of the Lord in several passages ( especially in Genesis ), I believe that he appeared to Abraham and disappeared after his appointed time was over, and that he represented Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.:)
 
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Sai

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A man with no beginning and no ending, no parents and no family ( Hebrews 7:1-3 ), who Abraham gave tithes to after going and getting his nephew Lot back from the kings Genesis 14:18-20.

He is a "type" of Christ.

He had a beginning, but to fully contrast the mosaic law and strict requirements of the priesthood’s lineage, the Melchizedekian Priesthood does not require ancestral lineage. Melchizedek like Job was an example of non Hebrew believers of Abe’s day. Melchizedek honors Abe and essentially passes the torch from Noah to Abe as he recognized the promised seed son would come they Abraham. Shem lived 500 years after the flood. Mel would’ve been associated with this group of post flood believers.
 

Sai

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Well, if you're not interested in conversing . . .

Half angel half human - Gigantes - Nephalim. Peter, Jude both point to the sin of these fallen angels as fornicatin. What’s to discuss? You disagree? Fine, you have the right to be wrong. It’s called freedom. I’m fully convinced of my position and don’t have any doubts.
 

Sai

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I agree, as the day did not become the day until the morning and evening were finished and the next day dawned with the rising of the sun.
That was Jewish custom...
Until sunrise, it was still the evening of the previous day.;)

For example:

" And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." ( Genesis 1:5 ).

As near as I can determine, what we in modern times call "06:00", the Jews called the beginning of the day, or zero hour.

The sixth hour was what we call noon.
The ninth was 3:00 in the afternoon.

Christ gave up the Ghost at the 9th hour, and was taken down and buried that evening.

Furthermore, current Jewish practice says that sabbath begins on Friday Eve.
 

1689Dave

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How can God produce children of Abraham from stones? Where in scripture does it show how he actually does this?
 
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MartyF

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Half angel half human - Gigantes - Nephalim. Peter, Jude both point to the sin of these fallen angels as fornicatin. What’s to discuss? You disagree? Fine, you have the right to be wrong. It’s called freedom. I’m fully convinced of my position and don’t have any doubts.

So, what you're saying is that you're not interested in exchanging ideas with others. After all, God has blessed you with perfect wisdom and intelligence. Your special revelations from God are beyond reproach and therefore discussion is a worthless exercise. Anyone who has a different idea much less disagrees with you is obviously destined to hell and not worth your time. You are a blessing to anyone whom you grace with your wisdom and knowledge.

Got it.
 

Dave G

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How can God produce children of Abraham from stones? Where in scripture does it show how he actually does this?
I've never seen anywhere in God's word that He did, Dave...
But it does say that He is able to.

" And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." ( Matthew 3:9 )
 

1689Dave

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I've never seen anywhere in God's word that He did, Dave...
But it does say that He is able to.

" And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." ( Matthew 3:9 )
Think of it this way Dave. The broken rocks became knives used for circumcision. Circumcision made one the covenant seed of Abraham.
 

Dave G

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He had a beginning,
Take another look:

" without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils."
( Hebrews 7:3-4 ).

" Neither having beginning of days nor end of life..."


" And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."
( Hebrews 7:15 ).

An Old Testament " type of Christ"?;)
 

atpollard

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[Matthew 28:1-7 NASB] 1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. 2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. 3 And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. 6 "He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. 7 "Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you."

[Mark 16:1-8 NASB] 1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?" 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he said to them, "Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, [here is] the place where they laid Him. 7 "But go, tell His disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.'" 8 They went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had gripped them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

[Luke 24:1-9 NASB] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing; 5 and as [the women] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, [the men] said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? 6 "He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, 7 saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." 8 And they remembered His words, 9 and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.

[John 20:1-18 NASB] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone [already] taken away from the tomb. 2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." 3 So Peter and the other disciple went forth, and they were going to the tomb. 4 The two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first; 5 and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying [there;] but he did not go in. 6 And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying [there,] 7 and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb then also entered, and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 So the disciples went away again to their own homes. 11 But Mary was standing outside the tomb weeping; and so, as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb; 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying. 13 And they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him." 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing [there,] and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" Supposing Him to be the gardener, she said to Him, "Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away." 16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, "Rabboni!" (which means, Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" 18 Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord," and [that] He had said these things to her.

If you are going to correct me by straining gnats (Saturday Night pre-dawn or Sunday Morning at dawn) and swallowing camels (one or two angels), would you at least be correct in your correction. ;)
 

Marooncat79

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The mythological heroes of Babylon Greece Rome etc. we’re the perversions of the Genesis 6 account when fallen angels intermarried with human women resulting in the corruption of Adam’s race save for Noah. Where the Bible condemns this part of history, the world celebrated it.


You do know that Angels do not procreate right?

Certainly not w humans right?
 

Sai

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You do know that Angels do not procreate right?

Certainly not w humans right?

Says who? Just because they don’t need to does not mean they have the capacity to do so. Furthermore, we are not talking about good angels in heaven but fallen ones. Every time an angel appears it is as a young man. They don’t need to eat but they do. The book of Jude points to their fornicatin as reason for Tartarus as their current abode.
 

Sai

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[Matthew 28:1-7 NASB] 1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. 2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. 3 And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. 6 "He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. 7 "Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you."

[Mark 16:1-8 NASB] 1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?" 4 Looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he said to them, "Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, [here is] the place where they laid Him. 7 "But go, tell His disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.'" 8 They went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had gripped them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

[Luke 24:1-9 NASB] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing; 5 and as [the women] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, [the men] said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? 6 "He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, 7 saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." 8 And they remembered His words, 9 and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.

[John 20:1-18 NASB] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone [already] taken away from the tomb. 2 So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." 3 So Peter and the other disciple went forth, and they were going to the tomb. 4 The two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first; 5 and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying [there;] but he did not go in. 6 And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying [there,] 7 and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb then also entered, and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 So the disciples went away again to their own homes. 11 But Mary was standing outside the tomb weeping; and so, as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb; 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying. 13 And they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him." 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing [there,] and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" Supposing Him to be the gardener, she said to Him, "Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away." 16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, "Rabboni!" (which means, Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" 18 Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord," and [that] He had said these things to her.

If you are going to correct me by straining gnats (Saturday Night pre-dawn or Sunday Morning at dawn) and swallowing camels (one or two angels), would you at least be correct in your correction. ;)

Learn your error of Jewish time first then you will learn why there are different accounts.
 

Sai

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Take another look:

" without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils."
( Hebrews 7:3-4 ).

" Neither having beginning of days nor end of life..."


" And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."
( Hebrews 7:15 ).

An Old Testament " type of Christ"?;)

The endless life referring to the Melchizedekian Priesthood in contradistinction with the now inoperative Mosaic Priesthood which was based on lineage and was temporal.
Again, Melchizedek was human, “like unto” the son of God makes him not the Son of God but another person. Moses did not author the book of Genesis he was not alive, he merely edited existing documents handed down from Adam’s day to Melchizedek’s day to Abraham’s day. Unlike Noah where he alone with his family believed, Melchizedek was the priest of the believers that followed God after the flood.
 
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