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Sai

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So, what you're saying is that you're not interested in exchanging ideas with others. After all, God has blessed you with perfect wisdom and intelligence. Your special revelations from God are beyond reproach and therefore discussion is a worthless exercise. Anyone who has a different idea much less disagrees with you is obviously destined to hell and not worth your time. You are a blessing to anyone whom you grace with your wisdom and knowledge.

Got it.

It’s called biblical demonology. There has to come a point in time for us as believers when we are fully convinced of biblical doctrines. Like eternal security for example. I don’t have any questions to my knowledge of the scriptures. I’m still learning but my attitude is one that says man can fully comprehend all scripture from Genesis to Revelation without any error.
 

atpollard

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Learn your error of Jewish time first ...

I do not need to learn about “Jewish time” to know that I trust the Holy Scripture over your opinions ...

[Matthew 28:1 NASB] 1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
  • After the Sabbath
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Matthew says Sunday

[Mark 16:1-2 NASB] 1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
  • The Sabbath was over!
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Mark says Sunday

[Luke 24:1NASB] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Luke says Sunday

[John 20:1-18 NASB] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone [already] taken away from the tomb.
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • John says Sunday

So what possible reason would I have to believe that all four Gospels are wrong and it was really Saturday?
 

MartyF

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I've seen that with some on this forum, Sai...
"Demonizing" someone who holds to differing beliefs about the Bible.

If the Nephalim were destroyed in the flood, how did they appear in Canaan to the 10 spies?

Thx MF but I’m good

Well, if you're not interested in conversing . . .

What’s to discuss? You disagree? Fine, you have the right to be wrong. It’s called freedom.

After which I paid him with nothing but compliments. He replied rather innocuously but he did not deny a single compliment I gave him. In fact, he seemed to double down on my compliments. At least that is how my very rudimentary and poor reading skills interpreted it. Sai so commonly speaks over my head so I could be wrong.

For example, I've discovered first-hand that if anyone on this forum professes something about the Bible with confidence, some people seem to latch onto that attitude of confidence and then proceed to rip that person apart...
Some call it "ad hominem" or "against the man".

Rather than being gracious to the other person and endeavoring to speak the truth in love, they exhibit an attitude of mockery, deprecation and a generally accusatory tone that is designed to shame a person, rather than to edify and to build them up.
Admittedly, I've done it at times in the past and many here have devolved into doing it, on occasion, when things get "heated".

But to me it's one thing to occasionally stumble into bad behavior, and quite another when a person does it over and over and over with no seeming sense of remorse at having personally attacked someone and leveled false and hurtful charges against them.
Even moreso, there are some on this forum ( and I will not name names because they know who they are ), that simply find something or someone that they disagree with fiercely, and they then proceed to tear that person apart, "limb from limb", in print every time they see a post by them or by another person regarding the same hated subject....
as if there's something inside them that "rises up" in anger about the subject that it just cannot stand to bear another minute of dealing with it.

Sometimes I don't think they even realize that they are doing it, and in the process being blatantly disobedient to the Lord's commands regarding Christian conduct.
If one calls them on it, you will invariably get the "mind-reading" card pulled out and throw in your face, rather than them admitting their wrongful attitude and asking forgiveness from the person that they have offended.

It really is an interesting ( and ultimately saddening ) thing to watch from a distance...
But it's quite another to be the target of it.

While I've learned to forgive this behavior because I know how that in my flesh ( and in the flesh of my brothers and sisters ) there dwells no good thing ( Romans 7:14-20 ), I marvel that the mods don't give infractions for consistently snotty attitudes and personal attacks from some who post here.
We are, after all, grown adults who profess to not only know Jesus Christ, but desire to obey Him.
Yes, we are broken messes, but that does not give us any excuse or reason to rip another person apart.

Does charity cover a multitude of sins?
Yes.

Shall we sin that grace may abound?
No.

What can I say? You must be spewing a lot of love and graciousness in this post. I hope you left some for your family.
 

Sai

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I do not need to learn about “Jewish time” to know that I trust the Holy Scripture over your opinions ...

[Matthew 28:1 NASB] 1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
  • After the Sabbath
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Matthew says Sunday

[Mark 16:1-2 NASB] 1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
  • The Sabbath was over!
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Mark says Sunday

[Luke 24:1NASB] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • Luke says Sunday

[John 20:1-18 NASB] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone [already] taken away from the tomb.
  • First day of the week = Sunday
  • John says Sunday

So what possible reason would I have to believe that all four Gospels are wrong and it was really Saturday?

Willful ignorance. But your question is an easy one and not really a “difficult bible question.”

When one gospel writer wrote his account he may have chosen to leave out what another chose to record. How is that difficult for you?
 

Sai

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I've seen that with some on this forum, Sai...
"Demonizing" someone who holds to differing beliefs about the Bible.

For example, I've discovered first-hand that if anyone on this forum professes something about the Bible with confidence, some people seem to latch onto that attitude of confidence and then proceed to rip that person apart...
Some call it "ad hominem" or "against the man".

Rather than being gracious to the other person and endeavoring to speak the truth in love, they exhibit an attitude of mockery, deprecation and a generally accusatory tone that is designed to shame a person, rather than to edify and to build them up.
Admittedly, I've done it at times in the past and many here have devolved into doing it, on occasion, when things get "heated".

But to me it's one thing to occasionally stumble into bad behavior, and quite another when a person does it over and over and over with no seeming sense of remorse at having personally attacked someone and leveled false and hurtful charges against them.
Even moreso, there are some on this forum ( and I will not name names because they know who they are ), that simply find something or someone that they disagree with fiercely, and they then proceed to tear that person apart, "limb from limb", in print every time they see a post by them or by another person regarding the same hated subject....
as if there's something inside them that "rises up" in anger about the subject that it just cannot stand to bear another minute of dealing with it.

Sometimes I don't think they even realize that they are doing it, and in the process being blatantly disobedient to the Lord's commands regarding Christian conduct.
If one calls them on it, you will invariably get the "mind-reading" card pulled out and throw in your face, rather than them admitting their wrongful attitude and asking forgiveness from the person that they have offended.

It really is an interesting ( and ultimately saddening ) thing to watch from a distance...
But it's quite another to be the target of it.

While I've learned to forgive this behavior because I know how that in my flesh ( and in the flesh of my brothers and sisters ) there dwells no good thing ( Romans 7:14-20 ), I marvel that the mods don't give infractions for consistently snotty attitudes and personal attacks from some who post here.
We are, after all, grown adults who profess to not only know Jesus Christ, but desire to obey Him.
Yes, we are broken messes, but that does not give us any excuse or reason to rip another person apart.

Does charity cover a multitude of sins?
Yes.

Shall we sin that grace may abound?
No.

Guilty as charged but have gotten better. I choose to avoid the areas in question with those who refuse to see both sides of the arguments.

Systematic theology, dispensationalism, a study of the 8 covenants, these are all valid means of interpreting scripture. We are commanded to rightly divide the word. There are divisions. By studying the Bible correctly one can have the utmost confidence in his scholarship.

It is those who claim that the scriptures themselves cannot be understood by men who have been the bane of Christendom since the 1st century.

For Marty F and others, it’s too bad you feel so threatened by this portion of scripture, it’s a sign of weakness in your confidence about the subject. For me it is in perfect harmony with God, and how Satan must first hear revelation before acting on it to achieve his means. The seed of the woman became the target of the evil one in an attempt to pollute the human race. Nothing in the actions of these fallen angels contradicts what scripture as a whole teaches concerning fallen angels.
 

MartyF

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I think you made my point, Marty.

I never brought your name up, but from my perspective, you're one of the ones who seems to enjoy ripping people apart the most on this forum...
and you do it with near impunity time after time.
So much so, that it amazes me that you are unable to see how you come off to others that you make such comments to and no one calls you on it, either.


Respectfully, I urge you to examine yourself and your attitude towards those that you disagree with.
I can say with all honesty that, in the two years that I've been here, I've never seen you ask forgiveness for any of your biting comments to others, and post # 30 is simply more proof that you don't seem to care what you say when you're offended.

Marty, there is a way to reply graciously to someone even while disagreeing with them.
Granted, it isn't something that a Christian grows into overnight...
But for someone who's been a believer for years?

At some point the Spirit of God should be getting a hold of that person and directing them to passages like Romans 12, Colossians 3, Titus 2:1-10, Titus 3:1-11 and many others that speak to what our outward conduct should be towards believers and to people in general...
Even on forums where the anonymity of the internet makes it so tempting to fire off a broadside with impunity.:(


Whether or not anyone gets vicious with me, I know very well that I have no right to wipe the floor, verbally or in print, with others.
I also know that in everything I do, I am to obey the Lord and His commandments.

In the end, how you conduct yourself on this forum is between you and Him...
But I don't have to believe for a minute that when you reply with viciousness or even continuous sarcasm and scathing rhetoric, that you're doing so out of a genuine respect and love for other's well-being.

More than likely, I think it very probable that you simply don't care how you conduct yourself, especially on the internet.
Truly, I hope that that changes in the near future, sir.
Until it does, I will continue to keep you on my ignore list.

Incidentally you're not on it because we disagree on things that the Bible teaches;
You and people like utilyan are on it because of how you come across to others that you do disagree with, and the disrespectful content of some of your posts.



That said, regardless of whether or not I take exception to your behavior, I do wish you well, sir.
I also wish God's blessings upon you in both your daily walk with Him and in your family life.

Good evening to you.

I wish you well on your trying to keep me on ignore. Multiple times your anger and hatred of me personally has brought you to personally attack me despite you saying that you are ignoring me and despite the fact that I did not initiate an attack on you. Despite your protestations of peace, you have waged a personal war against me. Maybe this time you will actually keep your word and ignore me. I wish you well in this endeavor.
 
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Sai

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Why did Gideon reject being set up as a king then name his son “his father is king”?
 

Alofa Atu

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Why does the Bible say that Judas hung himself in one passage but in another it says he fell down and his bowels gushed out?
Think, weight:

Mat 27:5 And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.​

Judas also hung upon a tree, and everyone that hangeth on a tree is cursed (Galatians 3:13), just as the serpent hung from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:1).

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.​

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.​

The two texts are not contradictory, but complimentary. The one (Acts) gives further detail after Judas hung himself from the tree. His body falling from that height, burst open, and the dogs came to eat the remains, as it was in type throughout the bible. Thus, later that same day, on the road from Pilate's hall to Calvary, there came an interruption to the shouts and jeers of the wicked throng who were leading Jesus to the place of crucifixion. As they passed a retired spot, they saw at the foot of a lifeless tree, the body of Judas. It was a most revolting sight. His weight had broken the cord by which he had hanged himself to the tree. In falling, his body had been horribly mangled, and dogs were now devouring it. His remains were immediately buried out of sight; but there was less mockery among the throng, and many a pale face revealed the thoughts within. Retribution seemed already visiting those who were guilty of the blood of Jesus.

Jesus purchased a field. So too did Judas. Which field are we purchasing?

Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Judas sold all that he had, which would be Christ, for 30 pieces of silver.
 

Alofa Atu

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If the Nephalim were destroyed in the flood, how did they appear in Canaan to the 10 spies?
Nephilim means apostates. They were indeed destroyed by the flood. Those apostates were large (giant) men, as Job and Genesis relates. Nothing to do with angel-kind, though satan feared for his life during the flood. There were still large men after the flood, because Noah was a large (giant) man, and his sons, and their sons also large, even some genes still producing large men into the time of the entering of Canaan (sons of Anak, Goliath of Gath, etc).
 

Sai

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Think, weight:

Mat 27:5 And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.​

Judas also hung upon a tree, and everyone that hangeth on a tree is cursed (Galatians 3:13), just as the serpent hung from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:1).

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.​

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.​

The two texts are not contradictory, but complimentary. The one (Acts) gives further detail after Judas hung himself from the tree. His body falling from that height, burst open, and the dogs came to eat the remains, as it was in type throughout the bible. Thus, later that same day, on the road from Pilate's hall to Calvary, there came an interruption to the shouts and jeers of the wicked throng who were leading Jesus to the place of crucifixion. As they passed a retired spot, they saw at the foot of a lifeless tree, the body of Judas. It was a most revolting sight. His weight had broken the cord by which he had hanged himself to the tree. In falling, his body had been horribly mangled, and dogs were now devouring it. His remains were immediately buried out of sight; but there was less mockery among the throng, and many a pale face revealed the thoughts within. Retribution seemed already visiting those who were guilty of the blood of Jesus.

Jesus purchased a field. So too did Judas. Which field are we purchasing?

Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Judas sold all that he had, which would be Christ, for 30 pieces of silver.

The tree is not high enough to cause this. The body could not have decomposed. What did happen was the law of the Mishna. It was required that if someone killed himself inside the city that his dead body be thrown from the wall in order to cleanse the city for the sabbath.
 

Alofa Atu

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There were no Nephalim that survived the flood.
In the sense of apostates, correct. In the sense of giant men, no. Noah was a giant man, he was 600 years old, 601 when he got off the boat, and lived another 350ish years (Genesis 9:29). So also his sons were giant men.

For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:

Genesis 10:8,9, 14:5, 15:20; Numbers 13:32,33; Deuteronomy 2:11,20,21, 3:11,13, 9:2; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18,22, 21:16,18,19,20,22; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 14:9, 20:4,5,6; Isaiah 17:5, 45:14

For “men of reknown” see:

Numbers 1:16, 16:2, 26:9; 1 Chronicles 5:24, 12:30

The same word used in Genesis 6:3 is used in Numbers 13:33.
 

Alofa Atu

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Who was Melchizedek?
A king of Salem, and a priest of the most High God (Genesis 14:18; Psalms 110:4; Hebrews 5:6,10, 6:20, 7:1,10,11,15,17,21), whose priesthood extended back to Adam (see previously cited texts). A righteous man, whose genealogy, goes back to Noah, back to Adam/Eve (Genesis 3:20; Acts 17:26).

Some have thought him to be Noah (but Noah would be deceased by then, at the meeting with Abraham), and others Shem (son of Noah). The Bible makes no direct mention of these theories, though interesting as they are. Whether so or not makes no difference. He did the part God asked him to do.
 

Alofa Atu

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How many angels were in the empty tomb when the women arrived on Sunday morning? (1 or 2)
There were two angels (John 20:12), Gabriel and 'Herald', the two guardian angels of Christ Jesus (John 20:14), and those who cover the mercy seat, standing in the presence of God (Luke 1:19). The same two (Luke 24:4) were seen at Jesus ascension (Acts 1:10).

In Mark's account, Mary sees a "young man" (angel) sitting on the "right side" (Mark 16:5), which is similar to Matthews account of Gabriel descending (Matthew 28:2-5).

The accounts are not contradictory, but again, complimentary. Matthew and Mark are focusing on the lead angel, Gabriel, while the gospels of Luke and John are focusing upon the sanctuary aspect of the two angels.

Think also of the birth announcement to the shepherds. Gabriel shows up, and then later other angels:

Luk 2:8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,​

Think that timing is also involved in the statements.
 

Alofa Atu

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Since when was “just before dawn” and “around sunrise” on the first day of the week “Saturday evening”?
It isn't, and never is in scripture. The phrase 'just before dawn' and 'around sunrise' cannot possibly apply to any of the timeframe of the 7th day of the week (Sabbath) in that part of the narrative. The sabbath was already past by many hours.
 

Alofa Atu

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The mythological heroes of Babylon Greece Rome etc. we’re the perversions of the Genesis 6 account when fallen angels intermarried with human women resulting in the corruption of Adam’s race save for Noah. Where the Bible condemns this part of history, the world celebrated it.
No, where the Bible speaks the truth of the matter of those following God becoming apostate, and intermarry with those not following God, the pagan religions mess it all up with their phantasies. What is amazing is that so many persons calling themselves Christian rely upon such paganistic carnalities and reject the plain words of scripture.
 
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