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StefanM

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God roasts none in Hell , as all sinners have decided to go thre by rejecting Chrsit!

Question: were they ever capable of not sinning? Did they have the ability to choose Christ, having not been elected?
 

StefanM

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Their final destiny was predetermined by God, but they still chose to reject Christ, God did not cause them to do that!
Choice and predestination aren't exactly all that friendly.

The illusion of choice, sure.
 

Revmitchell

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Scripture never refers to the elect except in the context of already being saved. Scripture never speaks of lost people as being elect. Ever.

God so loved the world, not just the elect.

God is not willing that any should perish.

Elections is corporate and one only becomes elect once they are saved.
 

Yeshua1

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Scripture never refers to the elect except in the context of already being saved. Scripture never speaks of lost people as being elect. Ever.

God so loved the world, not just the elect.

God is not willing that any should perish.

Elections is corporate and one only becomes elect once they are saved.
Predestination applies only from God towards His own elect in Christ!
 

Revmitchell

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Predestination applies only from God towards His own elect in Christ!

If by predestination you mean God predestined some specific individuals to be predestined to salvation and other specific individuals to be predestined to hell then you have no biblical support.
 

Yeshua1

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If by predestination you mean God predestined some specific individuals to be predestined to salvation and other specific individuals to be predestined to hell then you have no biblical support.
Agree with first point, not second one, s predestination applies only towards His elect!
 

Revmitchell

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Agree with first point, not second one, s predestination applies only towards His elect!

Yea I get it but here is the thing. It is easy to say that God has predestined only the elect but by default he also predestines the non elect by abandoning them from election. (not that I believe in your definition of election) It is impossible to predestine one side and not the other.
 

StefanM

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Due to thm being found in Adam, not in Christ, as the have rejected Him!

They were born into it without any opportunity to change that (unless elected, per your position). They might as well be sent to hell for having been born with two feet.
 

Revmitchell

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The only thing that matters with regard to freedom in salvation is do we have the freedom to choose God or reject Him. Is it possible that our heart would swing either way? If God regenerates us before salvation then there is no choice or freedom to choose.
 
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