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Yeshua1

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Yea I get it but here is the thing. It is easy to say that God has predestined only the elect but by default he also predestines the non elect by abandoning them from election. (not that I believe in your definition of election) It is impossible to predestine one side and not the other.

God has choen to bypass the lost, and abandon them to own desires!
 

Yeshua1

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The only thing that matters with regard to freedom in salvation is do we have the freedom to choose God or reject Him. Is it possible that our heart would swing either way? If God regenerates us before salvation then there is no choice or freedom to choose.
God swings the heat/mind of His elect to freely chooe Him to get saved!
 

Yeshua1

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scripture please

9The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11He came to his own,b and his own peoplec did not receive him. 12But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Esv John 1:9-13
 

utilyan

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GOOD SAMARITAN 2.0 Calvinist edition.

A group of three people get mugged on the way to Jerusalem hurt on side of road. Folks on other side of road see them. Priest does nothing, Preacher does nothing.

Calvinist Jesus flips a coin and decides today going to help one, He could help all 3, but needs to make a point how glorious he is to the three.
 

StefanM

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You do know that is an impossibility even for God to do?

IMO, that's a theological assumption forced on the text. The Bible itself doesn't have such a neat and tidy portrayal of God that easily fits into that assumption.
 
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