Discussion.

[Earth Wind and Fire]

@Christforums,
In the summer of 1962 someone from Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park came to the door. And invited us to their church. My Mom allowed my sister and I to obtain a ride to visit that church that following Sunday. That Sunay I accepted Christ as my Savior. The idea that I actually knew for sure was the greatest thing I ever heard. And I was 14. What did I know? It was indeed the best thing. That church influence is the reason I choose to be Baptist. And I choose to join that church in the summer of 1970.

Is the church works based?

 

[JonC]

Is the church works based?

No.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No.

I’m sorry, I was directing my question to 37818. So what were you attempting to convey?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

As a side note… perhaps the state of Tennessee would be the place in this country I could escape to… they don’t appear to have all the crazies. Just a thought.

 

[Christforums]

I realize that Servitus was a nut but he didn’t deserve death and Calvin could have done something to secure his life. He didn’t.

Perhaps not without jeopardizing his own for the problematic Servetus if deserving of mercy, and given the behavior of Servetus hardly likely. Remember, Calvin too fled from nation to nation at one point in life and settled down in Geneva for asylum.

 

[Christforums]

Oh my, of course…where else would you put all the undereducated and unproductive medical students looking for work? Wow just wow… human pollution glut.

Degrees in gender studies. I detest whenever seeking healthcare having to fill out personal pronoun information. Mr. should be enough for every pronoun to fall in line.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Perhaps not without jeopardizing his own for the problematic Servetus if deserving of mercy, and given the behavior of Servetus hardly likely. Remember, Calvin too fled from nation to nation at one point in life and settled down in Geneva for asylum.

I actually like Calvin but I’m not cracked up with his heavy handed tactics. Still there was darkness before the light. Still, he was a lawyer. I even liked Luther before he had bouts of sanctimonious anger directed at Zwingli and then the Jews. And then there are the darn Catholics…. We Baptists payed a terrible price.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Degrees in gender studies. I detest whenever seeking healthcare having to fill out personal pronoun information. Mr. should be enough for every pronoun to fall in line.

Do you get any competent care from these ‘so called’ medical professionals… I personally do not… except one cardiologist who is well educated, and very professional. The rest are dross. This is all about DEI I’m thinking.

 

[JonC]

I’m sorry, I was directing my question to 37818. So what were you attempting to convey?

I was answering the question.
I'm on my 7 days off and bored.

But the church isn't works based. It is based in Christ which results in work.

 

[Christforums]

Do you get any competent care from these ‘so called’ medical professionals… I personally do not… except one cardiologist who is well educated, and very professional. The rest are dross. This is all about DEI I’m thinking.

Not anymore, I avoid socialized medicine like the plague. They can keep their doctors.... which seemingly are scarce today. Instead of Physicians lesser nurses seemingly provide healthcare. So no, to answer your question. No competent care providers. Billing, however, .... is another subject.

 

[Christforums]

I was answering the question.
I'm on my 7 days off and bored.

But the church isn't works based. It is based in Christ which results in work.

"the church" as in universal catholic? If so, I agree ideally. However, we both know the reality is quite different. There are tons of works based doctrines and churches which promote them here in my local area. By the way, I am not disagreeing with your statements, merely, acknowledging reality by observation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I was answering the question.
I'm on my 7 days off and bored.

But the church isn't works based. It is based in Christ which results in work.

You could have fooled me then.. I’ve visited with sooo many churches that have bluntly told me the reverse. Tell God you believe in him and then your in…or God does his part, the Devil does his part blah blah blah, come down the isle son, kneel at the alter and we will pray for your conversion.

 

[Christforums]

You could have fooled me then.. I’ve visited with sooo many churches that have bluntly told me the reverse. Tell God you believe in him and then your in…or God does his part, the Devil does his part blah blah blah, come down the isle son, kneel at the alter and we will pray for your conversion.

Because, everything hinges on that altar call!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Not anymore, I avoid socialized medicine like the plague. They can keep their doctors.... which seemingly are scarce today. Instead of Physicians lesser nurses seemingly provide healthcare. So no, to answer your question. No competent care providers. Billing, however, .... is another subject.

Tell me about it… my family are broke, my wife has stage 4 cancer and they are bleeding me dry.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because, everything hinges on that altar call!

Not so with the Primitive Baptists… everything hinges on grace.

 

[JonC]

"the church" as in universal catholic? If so, I agree ideally. However, we both know the reality is quite different. There are tons of works based doctrines and churches which promote them here in my local area. By the way, I am not disagreeing with your statements, merely, acknowledging reality by observation.

By "the Church" I'd mean "the Bride". In this case, however, I meant individual congregations. I suppose it would apply both ways, though. I haven't considered that.

 

[JonC]

Not so with the Primitive Baptists… everything hinges on grace.

On grace or on Christ as this mercy?

If on grace apart from Christ then I agree it is different. Many churches see Christ as merely a tool the Father used.

But if Christ is the Source of this grace then there is no difference.

God saved us to do good works prepared beforehand that we should fo them.

 

[37818]

Is the church works based?

Are you in general an anti Baptist Christian?

Is the New Testament Gospel works based?

Galatians 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[JonC]

Are you in general an anti Baptist Christian?

Is the New Testament Gospel works based?

Galatians 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Anti-Baptist or Anabaptist?

 

[Christforums]

God saved us to do good works prepared beforehand that we should fo them.

Unless

Are you in general an anti Baptist Christian?

Is the New Testament Gospel works based?

Galatians 2:21, I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

If I may, I'd just like to point out the topic Paul speaks about is Justification. For example, the Law was the means of Grace to Israel. The written Law was the form in which the Grace was given. And the Law is for reproof in righteousness. This of course is different than Justification by works, rather, I believe in Justification by Christ alone or Solus Christus in Sola Fide.

Though you had not addressed me friend, I offer my opposition to re-baptizing. This subject resulted in death in times past. If unawares both Catholic and Protestant civil magistrates had anabaptist drowned, at one point in history over 200 drowned at a single time. The allusion given was to making these little ones stumble and tying a millstone around the neck of those that made people doubt their covenantal baptism as if baptism could save them. At times, I believe faith might need strengthening, however, doubting and emphasizing the process of human hands has become a familiar practice. Water does not save, unless Baptismal regeneration was tradition and practice in question.

On the subject of Justification Paul does write about the distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles, the Gentiles having the law written in their hearts, unfortunately, said conscience conviction becomes subject to their judgment rather than strict obedience in the corruptible image bearer.

Phew, I felt like writing for a moment. In summation, faith without works is dead, but as Paul conveyed, and I paraphrase the evidence of which is good works, however, the cause was not the doing of anybody but Jesus. Faith was a gift or Grace, in Ephesians chapter 2 the timing of such gift was stated, "you were dead in sin and trespass." As we know, dead men can do nothing for themselves. G-d made us alive or regenerated (rebirth, new birth, birthed from above) in our corruptible state and resulting death. Truly, we who were born in Adam died in Adam. The evidence of being made alive or regenerated is faith and evidence of faith is good works.

Shalom