Dispensationalism - yea or nay.

[John of Japan]

If BDAG is not good enough for this, how can you trust any dictionary?

But the point I made was exactly from BDAG! Did you miss that? Words can have more than one meaning. Therefore, BDAG gave more than one meaning for ekklesia. Ergo, the OT Israelites assembling does not make a church in the same meaning that the NT saints assembling does.

 

[1689Dave]

But the point I made was exactly from BDAG! Did you miss that? Words can have more than one meaning. Therefore, BDAG gave more than one meaning for ekklesia. Ergo, the OT Israelites assembling does not make a church in the same meaning that the NT saints assembling does.

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” (Acts 7:38)

We cannot argue Stephen's use of the word however. (God's Word).

 

[John of Japan]

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” (Acts 7:38)

We cannot argue Stephen's use of the word however. (God's Word).

Sigh. You are still missing the point. You are obviously functionally illiterate in linguistics. You may even be KJV-Only--"The Bible says 'church' in Acts 7, so it's just like the other times the Bible says 'church.'"

Two things with the same word are not necessarily the same. Acts 7:38 is not the same "church" as Acts 2.

Tell you what. I'll start a regular debate thread with this theme.

 

[Yeshua1]

I was under the impression that, like others in covenant theology and other theologies (amil, postmil, etc.), you believe that the church is the fulfillment of prophecies about Israel, which prophecies are therefore not to be taken literally, but to be applied to the church. If prophecies about Israel are not to be applied to Israel, but to the church, that makes such prophecies about ecclesiology.

Forgive me for misunderstanding. Apparently you do not believe that prophecies of Israel are fulfilled by the universal church.

Whether I debate you in another thread would depend on how the OP is phrased.

God bless.

There are some who hold to CT that also hold to Historical premil, as I and Spurgeon do, so would say the spiritual blessings promised in the OT now passed unto the Church, but also that National israel has still some dealings with God at time of the second coming event!

 

[1689Dave]

Sigh. You are still missing the point. You are obviously functionally illiterate in linguistics. You may even be KJV-Only--"The Bible says 'church' in Acts 7, so it's just like the other times the Bible says 'church.'"

Two things with the same word are not necessarily the same. Acts 7:38 is not the same "church" as Acts 2.

Tell you what. I'll start a regular debate thread with this theme.

Congregation = church = assembly = gathering and so on. The definitions all match a common theme. Congregation of the Lord = Congregation of Jesus = Church of Jesus and so on.

 

[John of Japan]

Congregation = church = assembly = gathering and so on. The definitions all match a common theme. Congregation of the Lord = Congregation of Jesus = Church of Jesus and so on.

So, when I was a pastor and a new person came in, were they automatically part of the church? Or just part of the congregation? Do you believe in a regenerate church membership (a Baptist distinctive)?

 

[1689Dave]

So, when I was a pastor and a new person came in, were they automatically part of the church? Or just part of the congregation? Do you believe in a regenerate church membership (a Baptist distinctive)?

In the OT the Congregation (Church) of the Lord was a State Church. Made up of believers and unbelievers alike. When Jesus abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel. It was on this principle of a regenerate believing membership Christ would now build his church.

 

[John of Japan]

In the OT the Congregation (Church) of the Lord was a State Church. Made up of believers and unbelievers alike. When Jesus abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel. It was on this principle of a regenerate believing membership Christ would now build his church.

Okay, so you are back to your old habit of not answering points, fleeing the posts of the other person, and then posting irrelevant answers. Have fun arguing with yourself. さよなら (Sayonara).

 

[1689Dave]

Okay, so you are back to your old habit of not answering points, fleeing the posts of the other person, and then posting irrelevant answers. Have fun arguing with yourself. さよなら (Sayonara).

I understand your backing out of this discussion.

 

[TCassidy]

Okay, so you are back to your old habit of not answering points, fleeing the posts of the other person, and then posting irrelevant answers. Have fun arguing with yourself. さよなら (Sayonara).

He has nothing else.

 

[TCassidy]

I understand your backing out of this discussion.

He didn't you did. You avoided giving an honest answer and ignore the other post and change the subject. Typical response of a person who knows he has no answers.

 

[1689Dave]

He has nothing else.

That's an easy dodge. But doesn't refute what I say.

 

[1689Dave]

He didn't you did. You avoided giving an honest answer and ignore the other post and change the subject. Typical response of a person who knows he has no answers.

I'm still here.

 

[David Kent]

Dispensationalism is a distinctive Plymouth Brethren Doctrine. During the 19the Century it was mainly confined to the PB. In the late 19th c. it was still widely considered to be a heresy. It was only after it migrated to the USA and the publication of the Scofield Bible that it returned to the UK and became more widely accepted.

Those of us who are not dispenstionalists and who have been on the Oline Baptist board have been regularly called heretics, I was called a false teacher when I only quoted scripture.

 

[TCassidy]

I'm still here.

And you continue to avoid giving an honest answer and ignore the other posts and change the subject.

 

[Yeshua1]

In the OT the Congregation (Church) of the Lord was a State Church. Made up of believers and unbelievers alike. When Jesus abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel. It was on this principle of a regenerate believing membership Christ would now build his church.

Under the Old Covenant, both saved and lost were part of it, but now under the new One, only the saved are part of it!

 

[Yeshua1]

I understand your backing out of this discussion.

You are back to giving Apostolic pronouncments, like your view settles it all!

 

[1689Dave]

And you continue to avoid giving an honest answer and ignore the other posts and change the subject.

Is it better to play with the problem or solve it? We can wade through error all day long, but there is nothing like a display of the truth to upstage it.

 

[Yeshua1]

Is it better to play with the problem or solve it? We can wade through error all day long, but there is nothing like a display of the truth to upstage it.

Truth of course being the way that you define it!

 

[TCassidy]

Is it better to play with the problem or solve it?

You are the expert on playing rather than answering.