DISPENSATIONALISM

[Lodic]

Your imagined view. Romans 1:16, ". . . salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Of course. The points of that passage are that the Gospel was preached to Israel first, and that the just (physical Jew and Gentile) are saved by faith. The other passages clearly teach that the "true Jew" is of the spirit, not by race or circumcision.

 

[Lodic]

Paul uses the term spiritual Israel to refer to saved Jews and Gentiles, while saved gentiles are still gentiles!

Both terms apply. While we are still Gentiles, we are the Spiritual Israel.

 

[kyredneck]

Ephesians 2:11-22 teaches that the True Jews are those who follow Christ. This point is made very strongly in Romans 2:17-29.

Back it up at least to v 13:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);

True Jews inwardly are 'doers of the law', circumcised in heart, with the law written upon it.

 

[robycop3]

Gentiles are never called Jews. Being part of the body of Christ does not make us Jews.
MB

It makes us SPIRITUAL Jews. But one must be born a PHYSICAL Jew to be one.

 

[37818]

The other passages clearly teach that the "true Jew" is of the spirit, not by race or circumcision.

The saved Jews are the true Jews being the Israel of God. Romans 11.

 

[MB]

Ephesians 2:11-22 teaches that the True Jews are those who follow Christ. This point is made very strongly in Romans 2:17-29. So, in this sense, Gentiles are called Jews. Other passages also use the term "spiritual Israel" to refer to those who have been "grafted in". The point is that there is no advantage to being a "physical" Jew. There is only one "people of God", and we are all saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

I agree we are all saved by Grace through faith. Yet this does not make us Jews, it makes us Christians. It's true we are one in Christ Being Jewish suggest a different religious sect. This whole nonsense of being elect and Jews is assumed. Jews who are saved become Christian. They are no longer Jews. They are Christian. My self I've been set free from the Law. To Be Jewish places us under the Law.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Back it up at least to v 13:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);

True Jews inwardly are 'doers of the law', circumcised in heart, with the law written upon it.

We are still saved gentiles, did not change into being jews!

 

[Yeshua1]

The saved Jews are the true Jews being the Israel of God. Romans 11.

Paul seems to make distinction between Israel, Jews of the flesh, and saved Jews who are Spiritual Israel!

 

[Yeshua1]

Both terms apply. While we are still Gentiles, we are the Spiritual Israel.

True spiritual Israel are the saved Jews and Gentiles, bit we are still Gentiles!

 

[Yeshua1]

It makes us SPIRITUAL Jews. But one must be born a PHYSICAL Jew to be one.

Yes, as there are some who seem to hold that we somehow become Jewish when saved?

 

[MB]

The saved Jews are the true Jews being the Israel of God. Romans 11.

Being a Jew implies a religious sect not a nationality.To be Jewish is the old covenant that has nothing to do with Christ. They rejected Christ.
MB

 

[robycop3]

Being a Jew implies a religious sect not a nationality.To be Jewish is the old covenant that has nothing to do with Christ. They rejected Christ.
MB

SCRIPTURE gives the Jews a nationality.

 

[Lodic]

I agree we are all saved by Grace through faith. Yet this does not make us Jews, it makes us Christians. It's true we are one in Christ Being Jewish suggest a different religious sect. This whole nonsense of being elect and Jews is assumed. Jews who are saved become Christian. They are no longer Jews. They are Christian. My self I've been set free from the Law. To Be Jewish places us under the Law.
MB

Christians are the True Jews because we have been set free from the Law. Whether we refer to ourselves as Christians or Spiritual Israel is a matter of semantics. They are interchangeable terms. The point is that there is only one "people of God", and only one way to salvation - through faith. Even the "heroes" listed in Hebrews 11 were justified by their faith. There is no special advantage for the Israeli race.

 

[AustinC]

Back it up at least to v 13:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);

True Jews inwardly are 'doers of the law', circumcised in heart, with the law written upon it.

Outside of Christ, who has "done the law" so that they stand before God, justified by their works?

The answer is...no one. Not one person. Why? Because, as Paul constantly states, the law does three things.
1) The law reveals sin.
2) The law provokes sin.
3) The law condemns sin.

Paul then finishes with this statement:
"The wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
~ Romans 6:23

kyredneck, you are missing Paul's point.

 

[37818]

Being a Jew implies a religious sect not a nationality.To be Jewish is the old covenant that has nothing to do with Christ. They rejected Christ.
MB

Wow. Romans 2:29, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

 

[MB]

Christians are the True Jews because we have been set free from the Law. Whether we refer to ourselves as Christians or Spiritual Israel is a matter of semantics. They are interchangeable terms. The point is that there is only one "people of God", and only one way to salvation - through faith. Even the "heroes" listed in Hebrews 11 were justified by their faith. There is no special advantage for the Israeli race.

What you said about being set free from the Law makes us Christians. I do not observe the Law to be saved. . No where in scripture does is it ever say we are made Jews the moment we believe .Spiritual or physical We become followers of Christ called Christian. When a Jew is saved he becomes Christian and is no longer a Jew.

Israelite is who they are. Jewishness is there belief system, Just like we are Baptist. Judaism is there religion hence the name Jew. So if we become Jews then we must keep the Law. We are not under the Law. nor can we be.
MB

 

[MB]

Wow. Romans 2:29, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

To be one inwardly means keeping the Law.
MB

 

[AustinC]

To be one inwardly means keeping the Law.
MB

No.

Paul makes this very clear in his letter to the Romans.

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
~ Romans 7:4-6

 

[37818]

To be one inwardly means keeping the Law.
MB

Wow. Were in the book of Romans did Paul teach one must keep the Law?

 

[SovereignGrace]

No.

Paul makes this very clear in his letter to the Romans.

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
~ Romans 7:4-6

Christ has torn down that divider that separated Jews and Gentiles. Dispensationialism seeks to re-erect it.