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Dispensationalists: Why is This Version of Israel THE One of Prophecy?

kyredneck

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In other words, they are gleefully anticipating a rapture to take them out of the world followed by untold tribulation for Jews after which many of them will go to hell. They teach that the Christian thing to do is to contribute to arranging the world's scene so that the coming of all this is hastened.

Yup, sounds pretty pro-Israel to me.

More, excerpt from his essay, 'The Second Coming', by Israel Shamir (a true blue REAL Jew and Israeli citizen)

The rise of the Antichrist as the last stage before the Second Coming may be compared with the betrayal and the Crucifixion before the Resurrection. Thus actively aiding and abetting the Antichrist, in order to speed up the Second Coming, is tantamount to playing the role of Judas betraying Christ - if he betrayed Christ in order to quicken the Redemption.......Such an approach is called "antinomian", and Christ foresaw it when he said: "the Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed" (Mat 26:24).......So-called Christian Zionists are antinomians as they side with the Antichrist in order to quicken the Second Coming, but woe to that man who helps Antichrist to destroy the world. Whether they believe in the Second Coming of Christ or not, people who knowingly implement antichristian plans are better called "the Antichrist Zionists". Rise of the Antichrist Zionists is a part of the prophesied Apostasy of the Church. But our feeling towards them are like that towards misled brothers. They were ensnared by their spiritual longing for Christ. We do not mind that they are fundamentalists - we regret that they are not sufficiently fundamentalist.....”
 
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HeirofSalvation

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In other words, they are gleefully anticipating a rapture to take them out of the world followed by untold tribulation for Jews after which many of them will go to hell. They teach that the Christian thing to do is to contribute to arranging the world's scene so that the coming of all this is hastened.

Yup, sounds pretty pro-Israel to me.

I now officially care nothing more for the musings of "Covenantists" or "non-dispy's" or whatever....what a fallacious and stupid post...Dispy's want Jews to go to hell?....O.K. I just want to know whether we are wrong for loving National Israel too much as patent Anti-Semites like KY and O.R. and ( if you aren't ignorant...Luther, Calvin, et.al....) Or whether we hate them so much, as you are claiming...this "Dispy-non-Dispy" conversation is pointless and of none-effect...my initial impulse was correct....Dispensationalists should avoid all conversation with them. Let them be anathema to you. They are of no consequence............

Maybe there did, in fact exist, at one point in history, some marginal groups loosely identified as "Classical Dispensationalists" who had as much loathesome anti-Semitic hate as you have, but they speak for few or any people today. What obnoxious trash this is. There were even Historical beings such as Deitrich Boenhoeffer who battled against this "Covenant-Theology" based- Jew-hate that you are espousing....Get off of the stupidity of James White...he is educated FAR beyond his own intelligence.

"Dispy-non-Dispy" conversation cannot be reasonably argued on Baptist-Board...Leave it to Jew-Haters like "Puritan-Board" and other murderous groups to sort it out for us...And the likes of Pope James White II to issue his stupid Papal Bull to obey under threat of torture if we refuse to obey his "Baptist" Polity enough...

It is High time for a discussion about freedom from such Universalist Theology...but you Southern Baptists just HAD to submit to the notion of the "UNIVERSAL CHURCH" didn't you...J.M. Frost be-damned...G.H. Orchard be damned...B.H. Carrol be damned....you deserve everything you get....thumb-screws for you all, and I care nothing for the fate of this fallacious definition of a "Baptist".....You submitted to God-less liberals about the importance of "Science" and "Math" education..so that you might be considered "smart" by the godless world. You have NO understanding of History...NONE...... ZERO...NATTA. Liberals HATE History like no other discipline...they hate it such that they might create veritable LIES about what constitutes the "Historic Faith". You are Catholic slaves....And Jew-Haters....God has something to say about them.
 

HeirofSalvation

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Really folks, there's absolutely nothing new here:

"...six ways in which Christian Zionist theology has been translated into political action: This outline illustrates the correlation between the movements distinctive doctrines and their political agenda.....

5. The Temple : Identifying with Religious Zionism

Dispensational Christian Zionists, in particular, are convinced the Jewish Temple must be rebuilt because, based on their futurist eschatology from Daniel, the anti-Christ must desecrate it just prior to the return of Christ. David Brickner claims that the preparations for rebuilding the Temple began in 1967 with the capture of the Old City of Jerusalem.[66] Lindsey is equally sure that, ‘right now, as you read this, preparations are being made to rebuild the Third Temple.’[67] Contemporary Christian Zionists are working to achieve this.

Promoting the Temple Mount Movement

Randall Price is the leading dispensational expert on the imminent plans to rebuild the Jewish Temple. In his 735 page The Coming Last Days Temple, he provides comprehensive details of all the Jewish organisations involved in attempts to seize the Temple Mount, destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock, rebuild the Jewish Temple and re-institute Temple worship, priesthood and sacrifices. These include the Temple Institute and Temple Mount Faithful.[68] Gershon Salomon is the controversial figurehead of the movement and founder of The Temple Faithful. Zhava Glaser, of Jews for Jesus, praises Salomon for his courage to talk about ‘the most important subject in the Jewish religion.’Speaking as a guest of the ICEJ, at the Christian Zionist Congress in 1998, Salomon insisted:

‘The mission of the present generation is to liberate the Temple Mount and to remove - I repeat, to remove - the defiling abomination there ... the Jewish people will not be stopped at the gates leading to the Temple Mount ... We will fly our Israeli flag over the Temple Mount, which will be minus its Dome of the Rock and its mosques and will have only our Israeli flag and our Temple. This is what our generation must accomplish.’[69]

In a London Times, interview Salomon insisted that the Islamic shrine must be destroyed: ‘The Israeli Government must do it. We must have a war. There will be many nations against us but God will be our general. I am sure this is a test, that God is expecting us to move the Dome with no fear from other nations. The Messiah will not come by himself; we should bring Him by fighting.’[70] Since 1967 there have been over 100 armed assaults on the Haram Al-Sharif by Jewish militants, often led by rabbis. ‘In no instance has any Israeli Prime Minister or chief rabbi criticized these assaults.’[71]

Facilitating the Temple Building Programme

In order to sustain a fully functioning Temple it is also necessary to identify, train and consecrate priests to serve in the Temple. According to the Book of Numbers, the ashes of a pure unblemished red heifer, itself previously offered by a ritually pure priest, must be mixed with water and sprinkled on both them and the Temple furniture. With the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD the ashes used in the ceremony were lost and the Jews of the Diaspora have therefore been ritually unclean ever since.

In 1998, however, Clyde Lott, a Pentecostal Mississippi rancher, formed Canaan Land Restoration of Israel, Inc. for the purpose of raising livestock suitable for Temple sacrifice.[72] According to Newsweek, in 1997, the first red heifer for 2000 years was born at the Kfar Hassidim kibbutz near Haifa and named ‘Melody’.[73] Unfortunately she eventually grew white hairs on her tail and udder. Undaunted, Chaim Richman, an Orthodox rabbi and Clyde Lott, the Pentecostal cattleman, have teamed up to breed red heifers in the Jordan Valley, in the hope of producing a perfect specimen for sacrifice.[74]

The design and construction work, furnishings and utensils, the training of priests and breeding of sacrifices all require funds and in large measure, like the red heifer, these are being provided by Christian Zionists. According to Grace Halsell, Stanley Goldfoot raises up to $100 million a year for the Jerusalem Temple Foundation through American Christian TV and radio stations and evangelical churches.[75] ‘Jewish longing for the Temple, Christian hopes for the Rapture, and Muslim paranoia about the destruction of the mosques [are being] stirred to an apocalyptic boil.’[76]"

2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

And....You would be absolutely correct...stupid and ill-informed Dispensationalists such as myself have been fallaciously dedicated to such false ideas as this one....maybe the prophecies are then true....JUDAISM...will, in fact, re-institute the sacrifices as the Bible actually predicts, and God will use some Dispensationalists to accomplish his ends...It is all happening according to Scriptural Prophecy...and your hatred of Jews causes you to despise it.....That is YOUR problem.....Your Anti-Semitic Jew-Hate is nothing new...we saw this once...Luther did it, so did Calvin...so did Zwingli blah blah....we saw Aresman's version of Jew-hate before too...blah, blah, blah, Everyone hates Jews.....Speak something new...Ky and OR and Aresman hate Jews....:sleep::sleep::sleep:
 

kyredneck

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And....You would be absolutely correct...stupid and ill-informed Dispensationalists such as myself have been fallaciously dedicated to such false ideas as this one....maybe the prophecies are then true....JUDAISM...will, in fact, re-institute the sacrifices as the Bible actually predicts, and God will use some Dispensationalists to accomplish his ends...It is all happening according to Scriptural Prophecy...and your hatred of Jews causes you to despise it.....That is YOUR problem.....Your Anti-Semitic Jew-Hate is nothing new...we saw this once...Luther did it, so did Calvin...so did Zwingli blah blah....we saw Aresman's version of Jew-hate before too...blah, blah, blah, Everyone hates Jews.....Speak something new...Ky and OR and Aresman hate Jews....:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Spoken like a troll.
 

thomas15

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.... I am talking about the teaching that the Temple will be rebuilt for the 70th week of Daniel to be fulfilled, AND the fact that some argue that Christians must "support" the modern state of Israel in the sense of helping them rebuild the Temple. ....

Not to go tit for tat in minute details of silliness or to hurt anyones feelings or possibly insult a brother but when you say some are you referring to the 100 millions some disney character speaks of or just a few wild eyed dispies who posess enough power to force the US government to do their bidding overseas but cannot get their man elected president?
 

thomas15

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I now officially care nothing more for the musings of "Covenantists" or "non-dispy's" or whatever....what a fallacious and stupid post...Dispy's want Jews to go to hell?....O.K.

Be of good cheer brother you have the Word on your side. Plain and simple as that. We pick it up, we read it, we believe it. That's all we can do.
 

webdog

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There's something awry with your comprehension abilities here, I've said no such thing. Go back and read it again.
I did. Same result, "65 million cultists" is the reason the world hates Israel :laugh:

Much funnier the second time... :thumbs:

Now I will continue to hold to the "cultic" view that satan is behind the world hating Israel. You can continue to be the scoffer Paul talked about.
 

kyredneck

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I did. Same result, "65 million cultists" is the reason the world hates Israel :laugh:

Sigh. '65 million cultists' is why Israel is significant, the only reason. In fact it's the heresy of Christian Zionism that has brought the aberration into existence.
 

webdog

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Sigh. '65 million cultists' is why Israel is significant, the only reason. In fact it's the heresy of Christian Zionism that has brought the aberration into existence.
That still does not explain why it is significant to anyone but the 65 million. Try again....
 

webdog

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...and again...why are non dispy's participating in this thread? Didn't the OP want the opinion of dispensationalists?
 

thomas15

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...and again...why are non dispy's participating in this thread? Didn't the OP want the opinion of dispensationalists?

Simple, no one know the cult of the dispies better than the non-dispies and especally that disney character with the finely honed cut and paste skills.
 

Iconoclast

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I now officially care nothing more for the musings of "Covenantists" or "non-dispy's" or whatever....what a fallacious and stupid post...Dispy's want Jews to go to hell?....O.K. I just want to know whether we are wrong for loving National Israel too much as patent Anti-Semites like KY and O.R. and ( if you aren't ignorant...Luther, Calvin, et.al....) Or whether we hate them so much, as you are claiming...this "Dispy-non-Dispy" conversation is pointless and of none-effect...my initial impulse was correct....Dispensationalists should avoid all conversation with them. Let them be anathema to you. They are of no consequence............
Maybe there did, in fact exist, at one point in history, some marginal groups loosely identified as "Classical Dispensationalists" who had as much loathesome anti-Semitic hate as you have, but they speak for few or any people today. What obnoxious trash this is. There were even Historical beings such as Deitrich Boenhoeffer who battled against this "Covenant-Theology" based- Jew-hate that you are espousing....Get off of the stupidity of James White...he is educated FAR beyond his own intelligence.
"Dispy-non-Dispy" conversation cannot be reasonably argued on Baptist-Board...Leave it to Jew-Haters like "Puritan-Board" and other murderous groups to sort it out for us...And the likes of Pope James White II to issue his stupid Papal Bull to obey under threat of torture if we refuse to obey his "Baptist" Polity enough...

It is High time for a discussion about freedom from such Universalist Theology...but you Southern Baptists just HAD to submit to the notion of the "UNIVERSAL CHURCH" didn't you...J.M. Frost be-damned...G.H. Orchard be damned...B.H. Carrol be damned....you deserve everything you get....thumb-screws for you all, and I care nothing for the fate of this fallacious definition of a "Baptist".....You submitted to God-less liberals about the importance of "Science" and "Math" education..so that you might be considered "smart" by the godless world. You have NO understanding of History...NONE...... ZERO...NATTA. Liberals HATE History like no other discipline...they hate it such that they might create veritable LIES about what constitutes the "Historic Faith". You are Catholic slaves....And Jew-Haters....God has something to say about them.

The only hate on this thread is coming from you and your ungodly slander of christian brethren:tear::tear:
 

webdog

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The only hate on this thread is coming from you and your ungodly slander of christian brethren:tear::tear:
...yeah...because calling us dispensationalists "cultists" and our doctrine "heresy" is ever so loving and devoid of any kind of hate.
 

thomas15

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The only hate on this thread is coming from you and your ungodly slander of christian brethren:tear::tear:

And don't forget we dispies are going to single handly start WW3 and set the middle east on fire and cause Iran to nuke Israel (which we claim to love but as some here accuse us of hating) and wanting to see them in hades at the judgement day of Jehovah.
 
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Iconoclast

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...yeah...because calling us dispensationalists "cultists" and our doctrine "heresy" is ever so loving and devoid of any kind of hate.

And don't forget we dispies are going to single handly start WW3 and set the middle east on fire and cause Iran to nuke Israel (which we clain to love but as some here accuse us of hating) and wanting to see them in hades at the judgement day of Jehovah.

Where did I say any of this???
 

HeirofSalvation

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Spoken like a troll.

Seriously??? merely a "troll?'....You are beginning to limit yourself too much....This particular line of attack is going to run out quick.....It's already becoming pathetic......and you with it.
I actually rather like Hyper-Calvinists as a rule...Just stop being nasty and un-Christlike...it is boorish if nothing else...It's not even offensive anymore...you are swiftly becoming the only "Kentuckian" who no more exemplifies the honor of "Dixie" than a Florida Cracker who knows what that means....You are resorting to the trash Yankee tactics (which your sort did too early in the war) of insulting my wife and me personally...You have so over-played your hand that I don't even find you insulting...I would not even challenge you to a duel...Grow up Child.
 
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percho

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Yes....Zion is the church:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

So from whom do you believe scripture shows the church being built?

Is it not from those who God scattered among the nations of which God elects
some for his name?

Is the New Testament the fulfillment of what God said he was going to do in the Old Testament beginning with his Son Jesus the Christ? Then electing by his Spirit a people for his name, a ruling body and the returning and establishing the kingdom of God upon the earth, binding the deceiver, that the residue of men might seek God?
 
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