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I agree we will differ, You have salvation being up to man, I have salvation being a Covenant salvation accomplished by the Son.@Zaatar71, we are opposites in Scripture. We will disagree on almost all of Biblical doctrine found in Scripture.
I think the reason is the difference in our foundational beliefs.
The foundation of Christianity is Jesus Christ crucified to set man free from his sin.
That foundation is salvation, which we see differently.
Your foundation is God choosing that salvation for man, mine is God offering salvation with man choosing to accept or reject.
We go our separate ways with interpretation based on that principle we believe.
In verse 7 this Good Shepherd will be struck (in 11:17 it was the worthless shepherd who was destroyed), and the striking will leave him pierced (12:10). Here, the one who “wields the sword” is God himself; “awake” is the feminine imperative referring to the sword, and “strike” is the masculine imperative agreeing with God. So in Zechariah, Messiah is put to death by the people according to 12:10-14, and by God according to 13:7 (see Isaiah 53:10 and Acts 2:23).
When the Shepherd is struck, the sheep are scattered. The full meaning of this would be the scattering of Israel because of their rejection of Messiah, that scattering being part of the curse pronounced for disobedience to the covenant (see Deut. 28:64; 29:24-25). God gives up the nation to the misery and confusion of a flock without a shepherd. So the flock that is scattered in consequence of the death of the Messiah is the covenant nation, ethnic Israel. Allen Ross
I agree we will differ, You have salvation being up to man, I have salvation being a Covenant salvation accomplished by the Son.
Men are born rejecting God and His word. God draws men to salvation...jn6:44;
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Mt26:31 is not talking about any anti christ,lolActually 11:15-17 is a contrast of Christ and the anti-christ.
The anti-christ is the "idol shepherd" with "the sword upon his arm."
The context of the book of Zechariah is filled with the actions of the anti-christ.
Sorry Charlie. The bible does not teach what you suggest. jn.6:37-44 is abundantly clear. Those given by the Father to the Son,will indeed come to the Son.. Man CANNOT COME on his own, as you suggest. The text is clear. No man can come as you suggest.Man is drawn to God by the hearing of the Gospel, it does not mean he will believe.
God leaves that a choice to man. As He did with Adam in the very beginning, He also tells us the consequences of not heeding His words.
Mt26:31 is not talking about any anti christ,lol
Sorry Charlie. The bible does not teach what you suggest. jn.6:37-44 is abundantly clear. Those given by the Father to the Son,will indeed come to the Son.. Man CANNOT COME on his own, as you suggest. The text is clear. No man can come as you suggest.
Mt26:31 is not talking about any anti christ,lol
Does your Bible have a reference from Mat 26:31 to Zechariah 13:7?
I just noticed that mine does. I knew the connection but never noticed the reference.
Yes..it is at the cross!Does your Bible have a reference from Mat 26:31 to Zechariah 13:7?
I just noticed that mine does. I knew the connection but never noticed the reference.
I used to be taught such things, but saw the living water as the gospel now...Whether it does or not begin reading in Zech. 13:7.
Zechariah takes us from the smiting of the Shepard and the scattering that night to the Battle of Armageddon where Israel is scattered by the anti-christ.
It's Scripture explaining Scripture by way of prophecy. It's all connected to the smiting of Christ with Israel scattered and Satan/the anti-christs' involvement.
I used to be taught such things, but saw the living water as the gospel now...
Zech.14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
Ezk.47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Jn7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The Nt.Church is Ezkiels temple, The living water of the gospel going forth, by the Spirit through the church. It starts at, the ankles, then the knees, then the loins, then the shoulders, ie, it grows
I definitely see Zech. 14:8 as literal.
The former sea is the Dead Sea, the hinder sea is the Mediterranean Sea.
The living waters impart life-giving properties to man, and in the summer and winter is the continuation of the seasons.
I don’t.Many believe the Millenium has started, so are these things happening now?
Where did Zechariah say nations will come to Israel? Where did he say during the millennium?
Where are all "nations" forced to come to Christ, by Jews? Where is Israel said to be the greatest nation on earth?
Where do you get this idea, that the Church is God;s second Choice? Where are these ideas coming from?