Do Babies go to Heaven?

[Brightfame52]

Because in Adam all die, and it is only in Christ that they shall be made alive.
It is Christ's death and resurrection which achieves Eternal life.
It is only in Christ that anyone is resurrected. (Even the wicked, for the judgement and second death)
Read I Cor. 15

1Cor 15 has nothing to do with the wicked, its all about the saints. Sure the wicked will be raised unto Judgement and damnation, but thats not addressed in 1 Cor 15 at all

 

[HeirofSalvation]

In Adam all die because in Adam they sinned Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So did babies sin in Adam and contracted death ?

They did not sin "In Adam". (That's Theology talking)
In Adam, though, they all die. (That's the text talking)

In Christ, all shall be made alive.
Some, the unrighteous, will be resurrected unto damnation and the second death. Others shall be resurrected unto eternal life which is again, only found in Christ.

I understand that your Theology requires you to read "In Adam all die" as "In Adam all sinned", but, that is not the Scriptural teaching.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

1Cor 15 has nothing to do with the wicked, its all about the saints. Sure the wicked will be raised unto Judgement and damnation, but thats not addressed in 1 Cor 15 at all

The wicked are resurrected, I'm afraid. and I Cor 15 is all about the resurrection. You may not like that, but, it is so.

 

[Marooncat79]

David said he was “conceived in sin” ie from conception

 

[Brightfame52]

They did not sin "In Adam". (That's Theology talking)
In Adam, though, they all die. (That's the text talking)

In Christ, all shall be made alive.
Some, the unrighteous, will be resurrected unto damnation and the second death. Others shall be resurrected unto eternal life which is again, only found in Christ.

I understand that your Theology requires you to read "In Adam all die" as "In Adam all sinned", but, that is not the Scriptural teaching.

So if babies didnt sin in a representative head such as Adam, why do they die and why do they need Jesus Christ as Saviour ? Christ came to save sinners, not the righteous.

 

[Brightfame52]

The wicked are resurrected, I'm afraid. and I Cor 15 is all about the resurrection. You may not like that, but, it is so.

The wicked unjust will be resurrected, but 1 Cor 15 has nothing to do with their resurrection, they are not in Christ. 1 Cor 15 is about the resurrection of the saints in Christ

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So you dont understand scripture !

 

[HeirofSalvation]

So if babies didnt sin in a representative head such as Adam, why do they die and why do they need Jesus Christ as Saviour ? Christ came to save sinners, not the righteous.

For the same reason animals die. Because of Adam. All of creation groaneth under Adam.
All of creation awaits the salvation of the world in Christ.

 

[MrW]

Why do babies need to be saved by Jesus Christ if they are innocent of sin?

So they will be in God's Kingdom forever with the saints, that Christ may be all in all.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

The wicked unjust will be resurrected, but 1 Cor 15 has nothing to do with their resurrection, they are not in Christ. 1 Cor 15 is about the resurrection of the saints in Christ

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

So you dont understand scripture !

O.K. If you want to insist on this, I don't really care. I don't know how you distinguish Christ's defeat of death at his resurrection from what, the power of the wicked to resurrect themselves somehow??? Is it Satan that resurrects them?
Whatever. It's not really that important to me what you think on that particular matter.

 

[robycop3]

On what basis do you believe David knew that ? Why do you think David thought that, because the baby was innocent ? Or did he believe that the baby was one of Gods elect that Christ would die for ?

I believe that, as a prophet, God had told him that.

 

[Van]

If a newborn baby dies - will he go to Heaven?
Why or why not - or do we even know?
This would include babies who have been aborted

Some talk about the age of accountability
Granted that is not a solid Bible doctrine -
but does Scripture allude to it?

In addition - lets consider those who are
mentally retarded - specifically those whose mental
age is less than 10 years of age. Would such an individual
be on his way to Heaven - if he never understood about
salvation and repentance?

Lets keep this discussion very civil
AND THIS IS "A C vs A FREE DISCUSSION!"
(c vs a is subject to immediate deletion!)
(if you want to go in that direction - feel free to start a new thread)

IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND C vs A - that specifically means for this thread that
we will not bring up the doctrine of election. --- If you want to go in that direction - start a new thread.

This thread is now open for discussion

1) No, baby's that die before they believe do not go to heaven.

2) If a person dies before they were accountable for their actions, they were still accountable for their non-actions as they were made sinners.

3) Same principles apply to those unable to grasp the gospel message.

 

[MrW]

It seems Calvinists strain to keep people out of Heaven whereas God sacrificed His Son to get people into Heaven.

 

[Brightfame52]

For the same reason animals die. Because of Adam. All of creation groaneth under Adam.
All of creation awaits the salvation of the world in Christ.

But thats because of sin, death is the wages of sin.

 

[Brightfame52]

So they will be in God's Kingdom forever with the saints, that Christ may be all in all.

So they enter in without Christ dying for them, without Christ. They must stand aloof and watch these Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Brightfame52]

I believe that, as a prophet, God had told him that.

Maybe thats right, but what basis, grounds would the child go to Glory, on the bases of its own innocence or through being one of Gods chosen sheep that Christ died for and redeemed ?

 

[HeirofSalvation]

But thats because of sin, death is the wages of sin.

The animals also die, and that is because of Adam. But, they were not sinners. Adam was God's "image-bearer" to rule over his creation. Hence, death came upon animals also.
Thus, there is no reason (based upon that) that death should not also come upon Adam's human progeny even if they were too young to know good from evil and were not personally partakers in Adam's sin.
Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
It simply isn't required that they "sin in Adam" to explain the Universality of death.
If, there is another Biblical reason to insist that they were guilty of Adam's sin, then fair enough...but, the mere fact of their dying does not demonstrate that.
No one sins in a vacuum. Others always suffer because of sin.

 

[Brightfame52]

For the same reason animals die. Because of Adam. All of creation groaneth under Adam.
All of creation awaits the salvation of the world in Christ.

Its good to know that you believe some people will be partakers of Christ s eternal kingdom without being redeemed. So do you think the innocent infants will stay infants throughout eternity ? Or will they be transformed into adults

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Its good to know that you believe some people will be partakers of Christ s eternal kingdom without being redeemed. So do you think the innocent infants will stay infants throughout eternity ? Or will they be transformed into adults

O.K. I'm hardly in a fringe minority here. I used to think like you do. I was taught to.
At this point, your questions are simply obtuse. This suggests to me that there is no point in continuing here.
Good day to you.

 

[Brightfame52]

The animals also die, and that is because of Adam. But, they were not sinners. Adam was God's "image-bearer" to rule over his creation. Hence, death came upon animals also.
Thus, there is no reason (based upon that) that death should not also come upon Adam's human progeny even if they were too young to know good from evil and were not personally partakers in Adam's sin.
Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
It simply isn't required that they "sin in Adam" to explain the Universality of death.
If, there is another Biblical reason to insist that they were guilty of Adam's sin, then fair enough...but, the mere fact of their dying does not demonstrate that.
No one sins in a vacuum. Others always suffer because of sin.

So you put babies on the level of animals so they can get in. So the babies wont be part of the saved will they ? Rev 21:24

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Will the unredeemed babies be conformed to the image of Christ ? Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

 

[Marooncat79]

It seems Calvinists strain to keep people out of Heaven whereas God sacrificed His Son to get people into Heaven.

Umm not at all read my posts

Calvinists believe that God can and does indeed grant faith in Christ to children.