Do babies go to heaven?

[psalms109:31]

Spurgeon is a great preacher, but I do not want to settle where he is at or be content and believe there is nothing more to learn from the scripture to change even what Spurgeon believed. Do not die and be content what people believed in 1600. The word of God can not be boxed up in 5 points or in a mans developed decrees. We are to continue to grow and mature by the very word we are being created into a new creation by. I know in my own American history. They burned witches by men who had sin enough to throw themselves into the fire. He with no sin cast the first stone or light the fire in this case. They didn't consider all the scripture that is out there just the one that says do not suffer a witch to live. Who is the elect an old creation or the new creation in Christ the one born again by His enduring word? Did Paul ever tell a non-believer they are the elect chosen before the foundation of the world who have not even trusted in Christ yet? We can not live by little pieces of bread men want to feed us, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.


We all have to enter His rest. The infants are they in His rest or have they already started working?

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Judging by this imbecilic post....sorry to see you are unable[or unwilling] to deal with the truth of God.

If you are going to call someone's post "imbecilic", Icon....next time, attempt to do it in a sentence which makes sense. Testy, testy....don't take it so seriously. I will give your Philosophers this much at least, they wouldn't attach unrelated sentence fragments to a statement when they are trying to call someone ELSE'S posts..."imbecilic".

 

[Van]

Refutation

Letrs look at these again....

Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--"
Romans 5:13: "for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law."
Romans 5:14: "Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come."
Romans 5:15: "But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!"

What the above passage actually says. Verse 12 says that sin entered the world through Adam, and death through sin, and death spread to all men because all sinned. Verse 14 says that death reigned from Adam to Moses, and verse 15 says that by the one man's offense many died, and so on. When people argue that this passage means that we were all born spiritually dead, they're assuming that these verses are referring to spiritual death. However, many Bible scholars interpret the above passage as meaning physical death, which is why this passage is often used to refute evolution (because the above passage says that there was no death before the Fall, which contradicts the theory of evolution). But for the sake of discussion, let's pretend that Paul was referring to spiritual death. Notice that the above passage does not say that we are born in a spiritually dead state. If Paul was referring to spiritual death, then all he said was that spiritual death came because of sin, and that spiritual death spread to all people because everyone sins. This doesn't prove the argument that we are born spiritually dead, it simply means that at some point we become spiritually dead. In fact, if Paul was referring to spiritual death in the above passage then notice that verse 15 specifically says that "many died," which indicates that they were spiritually alive but then they became spiritually dead, which is exactly how Paul described himself in Romans 7:9 (as we saw earlier). So this passage does not prove that infants are born spiritually dead.

1) Only when we are united with Christ are we made alive. We are conceived in iniquity, eliminating an argument we are conceived "in Christ" and thus alive.

2) These verses, Romans 5:12-15 are referring to being born spiritually dead, separated from God.

3) The argument against evolution claiming no death before the fall is unbiblical. Unless one argues that plant life death, such as a fruit pulled from a living tree, and then eaten, does not count.

4) "the many died" The many refers to mankind, and mankind "died" when Adam and Eve were separated from God. Thus rather than picturing individuals being conceived alive in iniquity, then subsequently being separated from God upon their first volitional sin, Paul is saying mankind died when Adam was separated from God. Awakened view has the many "dying" not by the trespass of the one (Adam) but by their own volitional sin.