Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

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And? Scientology says just as bad. Islam and Buddhism denies His divinity. Atheists have said as much and worse.

Sure, it would be shocking if dispensationalists believed Jews can be saved without Christ, but since none of us (so far in this thread, I cannot speak for the lunatic fringe) believe that, what is the point?

I believe God will save his people before the end. But until that time, we should seek to evangelize them just as we would any other people.

 

Did you even read what I wrote? Point to where anyone has tied citizenship in the state of Israel to salvation. You are jousting at windmills.

 

Stop it! That doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You yourself make accusations about Evangelicals.

 

In some Christian circles, you're more likely to be judged for pointing that out than you are to get an admission of what Jews actually do believe. It's like arguing with a woman, you'll get in more trouble if you're actually right.

 

And I believe that the 144,000 in Revelation means God will redeem His former nation before the end. We differ on that matter, and that's fine. I don't see differences in eschatology as some insurmountable obstacle to conversation.

But throwing the blame on dispensationalists for every drop of blood spilled in the Middle East is a bit much. God has certainly allowed a Jewish nation to reform. They have fought back the nations that sought to topple them. At some point the history is settled. I don't expect the English to give their land back to the Anglo-Saxons, or earlier Brythonic Celts. I don't expect Turkey to evacuate their country and give it back to the Greeks. The wars were fought, and it's over.

 

I know, we disagree.

How about this, secular Israel being no different then pagan Rome, then wouldn't Romans 13 apply to those living within its borders?

 

At my age why do I want to waste borrowed time on the Talmud? It is not a Bible but a commentary. The Jews admit Jesus existed. All this stuff on this thread is the Achilles heel of preterism because gentiles are not the apple of God's eye. Evangelicals have nothing to do with ME wars. Allah causes them.