Do you consume alcohol?

[LillyoftheValley]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

'Alberta, Alberta, where'd you sleep last night?..'

?? I'm sorry, I don't get the reference.

 

[Monster]

Heh, my father had a theory about police, traffic stops and radar traps. In our neck of the woods, it's very clear that Sundays are the prime-time for revenue-getting-ticket-n-booze-hound-traps. I always agreed with him, and considered it to be an unfair bullying/targeting of Christians. However;

If I read those pole numbers correctly, it's nearly a 2-1 drinker vs. non-drinker "imbalance" for Baptists. If I assume that those numbers have an even greater disparity for other denominations, (we're the most uptight group of fundies that I'm aware of, so...) the police have it right. Christians by and large are reasonable targets and not victims of injustice, and by their own devices.

Drink up! Pay up and enjoy them thar freedoms! (this is said in light of the legal blood-alcohol limits).

 

[Oldtimer]

If I read those pole numbers correctly, it's nearly a 2-1 drinker vs. non-drinker "imbalance" for Baptists. If I assume that those numbers have an even greater disparity for other denominations, (we're the most uptight group of fundies that I'm aware of, so...) the police have it right. Christians by and large are reasonable targets and not victims of injustice, and by their own devices.

Right now, the poll indicates that 4 out of every 10 Baptists drink. Indicates that 50 people have responded and 60% of them do not drink. ie 6 out of 10.

 

[Baptist4life]

Overlooking what one likes or prefers and focusing on the issue is important. The Bible commands us to "be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walketh about seeking whom he may desire." Obviously, this verse is not used to directly refer to the sobriety of refraining from alcohol; nonetheless, it makes a clear point in addressing the importance of the battle we wage against our enemy. Alcohol inhibits the senses even in small amounts, as we all know. If this issue were only about preference and what we like, then of course it is fine. However, there is spiritual warfare raging around us with Satan waiting for any measure of weakness to attack the followers of Christ. Why would we willing consume something known to inhibit our senses and make us vulnerable with that in mind?

Excellent post! And one I totally agree with. I seriously don't understand how a Christian can defend consuming something that will lower his inhibitions, and sense of reason, opening the door for Satan. Even freely sending him an invitation! Seems "modern day" Christianity is a far cry from what I grew up understanding it to be. I, too, am saddened at "Christians" rationalizing drinking alcohol.

 

[InTheLight]

I seriously don't understand how a Christian can defend consuming something that will lower his inhibitions, and sense of reason, opening the door for Satan. Even freely sending him an invitation! Seems "modern day" Christianity is a far cry from what I grew up understanding it to be. I, too, am saddened at "Christians" rationalizing drinking alcohol.

My wife snores like a banshee. I slap the mattress, poke her, push her to get her to change her sleeping position. She will roll over and within 2 minutes start snoring again. Most nights I don't get to sleep until past 1:00 am even though lights go off around 11:00 pm. Funny thing though, when I drink a beer or two on Friday night or Saturday night I don't have a problem getting to sleep. What do you say to that? Is that opening a door for SATAN??!!

 

[webdog]

Excellent post! And one I totally agree with. I seriously don't understand how a Christian can defend consuming something that will lower his inhibitions, and sense of reason, opening the door for Satan. Even freely sending him an invitation! Seems "modern day" Christianity is a far cry from what I grew up understanding it to be. I, too, am saddened at "Christians" rationalizing drinking alcohol.

Let me ask, is it opening a door for Satan if someone who is shy and introverted consumes alcohol allowing for such inhibitions to be lifted in speaking about spiritual matters?

 

[Baptist4life]

Would you contribute money to a porn magazine/video producer? Would would support drug dealers? I submit that purchasing and consuming alcohol is contributing to an industry that is just as, if not more so, destructive to individuals and their families. Broken homes, ruined families, automobile accidents that have taken the lives of innocent people, etc. One only needs to read the statistics to know that is true. If you want to contribute to (which your purchase of alcohol is doing) and participate in the consumption of, such a deadly product, I guess you have every right to do so, but I will continue to believe God calls us out of that.

 

[webdog]

Would you contribute money to a porn magazine/video producer? Would would support drug dealers? I submit that purchasing and consuming alcohol is contributing to an industry that is just as, if not more so, destructive to individuals and their families. Broken homes, ruined families, automobile accidents that have taken the lives of innocent people, etc. One only needs to read the statistics to know that is true. If you want to contribute to (which your purchase of alcohol is doing) and participate in the consumption of, such a deadly product, I guess you have every right to do so, but I will continue to believe God calls us out of that.

You didn't answer the question. I suppose the purchase of grapes from the grocery store that pays the part time merchandiser who is also a porn actor should also be banished.

 

[Baptist4life]

You didn't answer the question. I suppose the purchase of grapes from the grocery store that pays the part time merchandiser who is also a porn actor should also be banished.

And how am I supposed to know that someone I'm purchasing grapes from is a porn actor? If I did, I wouldn't purchase grapes from that store! OTOH, you KNOW what the companies selling alcohol are doing.


Now, as far as your question about drinking because of shyness, does it really matter the reason you lose your ability to think clearly? The very fact that someone is drinking because they are shy in a social setting, is an admission that alcohol CHANGES your levels of reasoning.


Now, please answer my questions. Why would you support companies that are enabling such destruction?

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

I Understand...

To clarify to you, because you are a friend, as I have said before, I do not drink. My reasons are:

The pattern of drinking that developed while in the service
A bad example with a church leadership position
Causing weaker Christians to stumble

What causes me to post against these threads are those who:

Try to make a Biblical case for abstinence
Try to impose their view of drinking on others

SN...I understand your position and appreciate the civil tone of your comments....I just respectfully disagree. I do believe that the Bible teaches that consumption of alcoholic beverages is wrong. I will qualify that by saying that it is the hearts of the consumers that make it and it's results even more evil. Anything that a man or woman could or would do that would desensitize or intoxicate themselves cannot, by it's very nature be something led of God's Spirit in the life of a believer. I think it is reasonable to say that we should have NO EXPECTATION that non-believers would understand this...drinking is part of this world's "culture". It should not be a part of ours(His). I will say that the reasons you gave for why you don't personally drink were all good ones in which I am in total agreement with. I think it would be correct to say that the preponderance of the verses found in the Word of God that mention or deal with the subject of alcohol usage or consumption would support abstinence and would speak of the practice in a negative sense. I would further say that there is nothing godly or spiritually uplifting about the producers and suppliers of beer, wine, and liquor in our day and time. Just a fast glance at the kind of commercials they air on TV in our day should be ample proof of that.
I respect your position BECAUSE you don't drink. There is far more to gain by NOT drinking than could possibly ever be gained by doing so. I have been in both positions. The one I now uphold has given me peace in my heart.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

[webdog]

And how am I supposed to know that someone I'm purchasing grapes from is a porn actor? If I did, I wouldn't purchase grapes from that store! OTOH, you KNOW what the companies selling alcohol are doing.


Now, as far as your question about drinking because of shyness, does it really matter the reason you lose your ability to think clearly? The very fact that someone is drinking because they are shy in a social setting, is an admission that alcohol CHANGES your levels of reasoning.


Now, please answer my questions. Why would you support companies that are enabling such destruction?

There is nothing to answer as you are merely begging the question. Your accusation towards the beer companies is like throwing the same accusation towards car companies after someone drives drunk. When you buy ANYTHING I can guarantee some of that money goes towards something destructive. It also goes towards something beneficial. Singling out beer companies from every other industry is foolish. People watch porn on computers and TV's. Why haven't you targeted those companies? Cell phones help the porn actors to arrange making their filth. Why haven't you targeted that industry? Fact is, because you have a faulty understanding on the 244 references to alcohol in the Bible, you have done the same thing the pharisees did, create another set of rules for the 'righteous' to live by.

 

[Baptist4life]

There is nothing to answer as you are merely begging the question. Your accusation towards the beer companies is like throwing the same accusation towards car companies after someone drives drunk. When you buy ANYTHING I can guarantee some of that money goes towards something destructive. It also goes towards something beneficial. Singling out beer companies from every other industry is foolish. People watch porn on computers and TV's. Why haven't you targeted those companies? Cell phones help the porn actors to arrange making their filth. Why haven't you targeted that industry? Fact is, because you have a faulty understanding on the 244 references to alcohol in the Bible, you have done the same thing the pharisees did, create another set of rules for the 'righteous' to live by.

I'm sorry, but those are some of the lamest excuses I've ever heard.You continue to do what you want. We'll both stand before God some day and answer for our actions. I've got enough of my own things to worry about, let alone someone elses'. I'm done.

 

[webdog]

I'm sorry, but those are some of the lamest excuses I've ever heard.You continue to do what you want. We'll both stand before God some day and answer for our actions. I've got enough of my own things to worry about, let alone someone elses'. I'm done.

I didn't even give any excuses, I simply called out your blatant inconsistencies. I'll have no problem with my view. When He serves me the best wine anyone has ever had, maybe we will also share a heavenly micro brew!

 

[saturneptune]

SN...I understand your position and appreciate the civil tone of your comments....I just respectfully disagree. I do believe that the Bible teaches that consumption of alcoholic beverages is wrong. I will qualify that by saying that it is the hearts of the consumers that make it and it's results even more evil. Anything that a man or woman could or would do that would desensitize or intoxicate themselves cannot, by it's very nature be something led of God's Spirit in the life of a believer. I think it is reasonable to say that we should have NO EXPECTATION that non-believers would understand this...drinking is part of this world's "culture". It should not be a part of ours(His). I will say that the reasons you gave for why you don't personally drink were all good ones in which I am in total agreement with. I think it would be correct to say that the preponderance of the verses found in the Word of God that mention or deal with the subject of alcohol usage or consumption would support abstinence and would speak of the practice in a negative sense. I would further say that there is nothing godly or spiritually uplifting about the producers and suppliers of beer, wine, and liquor in our day and time. Just a fast glance at the kind of commercials they air on TV in our day should be ample proof of that.
I respect your position BECAUSE you don't drink. There is far more to gain by NOT drinking than could possibly ever be gained by doing so. I have been in both positions. The one I now uphold has given me peace in my heart.

Bro.Greg:saint:

My first warning signal about alcohol came in the service. While I did not drink very often, when I did, it was into oblivion. Some nights I do not even remember getting back to where I was stationed at the time. Of course, a short time after that came marriage and the kids which gave me even less reason to drink. My wife was saved when we got married, and I was not. Shortly after salvation, when I started serving in my present church, it became out of the question as more and more ministries and leadership positions came along.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

The Key Thing Is....

My first warning signal about alcohol came in the service. While I did not drink very often, when I did, it was into oblivion. Some nights I do not even remember getting back to where I was stationed at the time. Of course, a short time after that came marriage and the kids which gave me even less reason to drink. My wife was saved when we got married, and I was not. Shortly after salvation, when I started serving in my present church, it became out of the question as more and more ministries and leadership positions came along.

Brother...I think the key thing is that you did want you have done to be more faithful and fruitful for your God and a better husband and father for your family. God bless you. :applause:

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

[Fred's Wife]

SN...I understand your position and appreciate the civil tone of your comments....I just respectfully disagree. I do believe that the Bible teaches that consumption of alcoholic beverages is wrong. I will qualify that by saying that it is the hearts of the consumers that make it and it's results even more evil. Anything that a man or woman could or would do that would desensitize or intoxicate themselves cannot, by it's very nature be something led of God's Spirit in the life of a believer. I think it is reasonable to say that we should have NO EXPECTATION that non-believers would understand this...drinking is part of this world's "culture". It should not be a part of ours(His). I will say that the reasons you gave for why you don't personally drink were all good ones in which I am in total agreement with. I think it would be correct to say that the preponderance of the verses found in the Word of God that mention or deal with the subject of alcohol usage or consumption would support abstinence and would speak of the practice in a negative sense. I would further say that there is nothing godly or spiritually uplifting about the producers and suppliers of beer, wine, and liquor in our day and time. Just a fast glance at the kind of commercials they air on TV in our day should be ample proof of that.
I respect your position BECAUSE you don't drink. There is far more to gain by NOT drinking than could possibly ever be gained by doing so. I have been in both positions. The one I now uphold has given me peace in my heart.

Bro.Greg:saint:

Amen Bro. Greg! You hit the nail on the head! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Monster]

Right now, the poll indicates that 4 out of every 10 Baptists drink. Indicates that 50 people have responded and 60% of them do not drink. ie 6 out of 10.

Ah, I added all the various "options" that involved drinking as opposed to those that said no and the one AA vote.

I missed out on the multiple category vote option which was superfluous since no means no for me.

 

[Aaron]

Let me ask, is it opening a door for Satan if someone who is shy and introverted consumes alcohol allowing for such inhibitions to be lifted in speaking about spiritual matters?

What was the source of the Apostles' boldness?

 

[Aaron]

Acts 2 according to dawg:

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing they have partook only two and ten ounces of beer, and that only to calm our nerves so we could speak unto you.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will moderately pour out of my keg upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
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[webdog]

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