DHK, what you are saying is not a Trinatarian View! That is why I started the poll, to see how trinatarians view the statement!
There are many non-trinitarians that agree with the things that you have said. Therein lies the confusion.
Here also is what is troubling:
Orthodox Christianity from the time of the Apostles onward have believed in the trinity: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit--co-equal, co-eternal, three separate persons, yet being one God. As others have said, and I agree, we may not fully understand the concept of the trinity but we must in faith agree that it is true. There is no reason to deny the teaching in Mat.28:19 and 1John 5:7 and in other places in Scripture where Christ is the second person of the trinity.
This doctrine, in the way I have described it has been believed from the Apostles onward even by those who hold very aberrant doctrine such as the RCC and the Orthodox. It has been held by almost every different diviison of the Protestant Churches. And suddenly you come along with a new revelation that this can be questioned when all the theologians, divines, etc. of all past centuries (two millenia worth) have never questioned it (unless they be a cult). Why is there any good reason to start questioning the trinity, or any of its orthodox aspects now.
There are elements in the RCC that would like to add Mary to the "trinity." Perhaps they don't realize that 4 doesn't make a trinity.
Benny Hinn is a new age false teacher. He believes in a nine-person trinity: three persons in the Father, three persons in the Son, and three persons in the Spirit. Would you follow him and his theology? I hope not. There is no reason to question centuries of well thought out theology now, which can be Biblically supported.
Your reasoning sounds exactly like the J.W.'s I talk to: "If I can't understand it, I won't believe it." Tell me it is not so.
My view of what I'm argueing is Trinitarian View. I stated very clearly in my text that I was not debating the fact whether there is a trinity or not!
When you have a faulty view of the trinity, the debate is about the trinity. You can't get around that.
What other discription do you need to know who Christ is other than John 8:24? All we have to do is believe that he is Jehovah and of course that He died for us! And that if we believe that and accept that we can be saved!
You will find a very good description of Christ in Revelation chapter one.
Here is another more concise one:
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Philippians 2:5-11 Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:13-20 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
What other description than John 8:24? Surely you jest!
No the people who you are talking about will not accept that Jesus is The Almighty God! (Isa 9:6) They view Jesus as a subordinate. They do not view him as equal to the Father!
I have had many J.W.'s assert to me that Jesus is the "Mighty God."
