Does authorized by a king mean authorized by God?

[SGO]

Your allegation is not true and would bear false witness in disobedience to the Scriptures.

Isaiah 40:8 was stated long before 1611. The word of God stood forever before the 1611 KJV was ever made, and the word of God shall stand forever even if the 1611 KJV had never been made.

The standing of the word of God is not bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611. If you think that it is, you show that you misunderstand and misinterpret Isaiah 40:8.

I like this calling me a liar.
We just have different views.
You want to prove me wrong for thinking the KJV is the word of God in English.
Your arguments won't change my mind because only God changed it.
I won't change your mind either.
I know whom I am not.

You cannot even provide one verse to say the only the originals are inspired so you are a little upset and find other questions to beleaguer me with.
You have realized I cannot and will not play on your level which given you a license to insult.
Yet you maintain you are a man of integrity.
Dream on.

"Isaiah 40:8 was stated long before 1611." I have never claimed, "The word of our God shall stand for ever" originated with the KJV.
That is a misstated LIE by you.

It means that the word of God is for ever.

The word of God is in the KJV text entirely and partially in other English translations.
That you can fault me for, if it is a fault.

You should change the version you read to one you think is THE word of God, then you will be much happier.

Thy words were found,
and I did eat them;
and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart;
for I am called by thy name,
O Lord God of hosts.
Jeremiah 15:16


When we are in heaven together we won't be arguing so much.

 

[SGO]

Do YOU? Even the proven goofs & booboos & added words in the KJV ?

Yogi those are not Boo-Boos.

Don't worry, just find something that has all the word of God.


I read about your wife's miracle and it made me rejoice that you got to have her for more time.

 

[robycop3]

Yogi those are not Boo-Boos.

Things such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4 certainly IS a booboo !

Don't worry, just find something that has all the word of God.

Every valid Bible translation does.

I read about your wife's miracle and it made me rejoice that you got to have her for more time.

God has kept her here to see & love our grandchildren. (& one great-grandchild so far!)

 

[SGO]

Things such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4 certainly IS a booboo !


Every valid Bible translation does.



God has kept her here to see & love our grandchildren. (& one great-grandchild so far!)

Easter was explained to you but your mind is veiled.
After all the energy you have expended in fighting the word of God you cannot submit to it.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16

As for God,
his way is perfect:
the word of the Lord is tried:
he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Psalm 18:30


If it is not the inspired word of God it is not valid.

Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35

Every word of God is pure.
He is a shield to them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:5


Great to hear she can enjoy the grandchildren+ and you too.

 

[Logos1560]

Easter was explained to you but your mind is veiled.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
.

2 Timothy 3:16 was also clearly explained to you in the context of the whole counsel of God, but your mind seems to be veiled or your eyes blinded to seeing the truth that inspiration concerned the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles.

You do not clearly explain what you think the verse means, and you point out no scriptural problems with my explanation.

 

[SGO]

2 Timothy 3:16 was also clearly explained to you in the context of the whole counsel of God, but your mind seems to be veiled or your eyes blinded to seeing the truth that inspiration concerned the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles.

You do not clearly explain what you think the verse means, and you point out no scriptural problems with my explanation.

Sorry but you have not provided even one "scripture" that actually says "only the originals are inspired,"
so why should I accept your explanation of 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God...?

If you do not believe all scripture is inspired of God
and
the word of God shall stand for ever,
what do you have to hold on to?

 

[Logos1560]

Sorry but you have not provided even one "scripture" that actually says "only the originals are inspired,"
so why should I accept your explanation of 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God...?

Because you may refuse to see it or are blind to seeing it does not mean that it has not been soundly explained to you. The Scriptures should be interpreted and understood in harmony and in context of the whole counsel of God.

Perhaps you may understand and interpret isolated verses in a way that could make them conflict with what is stated in other verses. No one may know how you understand the isolated out-of-context verses since you do not explain clearly what you understand them to mean.

 

[SGO]

Show me the verse in the Holy Bible that says, "ONLY the originals are inspired", and I will not call you Mr. Baloney.

All scripture is inspired by God...
2 Timothy 3:16

 

[Yeshua1]

Respectfully,
I see a clear bias here, Logos.

Despite your claim to using the KJV for years, every thread that I've read from you on this subject seems overwhelmingly weighted in favor towards taking aim at one thing...
Tearing down the notion that there should be a standard in English that everyone who speaks it ( and has put their trust in the Lord ) can actually rely on to be the word of God.

When someone puts forth the AV as that standard,
you don't reply with what you believe should be that English standard.
Instead, it seems that your focus is more heavily on what it should not be.

I find that very strange behavior from someone who voices their concerns about all parties consistently and justly applying clear Scriptural truths ( which, thus far I have not seen you list and give the references for ) to their choice of a standard regarding English translations.

As I've stated in past threads on this issue,

When you address the claims of those who tell believers that "older is better" ( despite sometimes massive differences in just the manuscripts themselves, such as "Sinaiticus" compared to "Vaticanus" ) regarding Greek manuscripts,
and that we can actually trust a never-ending cycle of English ( and other world languages as well ) translations that are based on an ever-changing NA / UBS textual apparatus for their Greek foundations,
then I'll believe that you're interested in coming to a resolution on this subject.

Until then,
Every thread that you create trying to get "KJV-Only" believers ( and anyone who resembles them ) to doubt their convictions,
will only confirm what I've suspected since I joined this board:

You're not interested in discussing what should be the standard...
You're only interested in convincing people what should not be the standard.

the Kjv can be your standard for English, but others can have Nas/Esv/Nkjv as theirs!

 

[Yeshua1]

If all we can trust are the originals,
Then His words have indeed passed away ( at least here on earth ), contrary to what the Bible I read, actually says.

Which,
if God does not preserve His words somewhere,
then we really cannot know for sure that what any Bible does say are actually His words, and not man's words.

The originals are long since turned to dust...

Therefore, if His words are only contained in the originals,
then you have no Bible, Dave.
Don't quote it, because you cannot trust it 100% to be His words...

Unless of course you believe by faith ( as I do ) that He does indeed preserve His words for all of His people to take comfort in.

the inspiration promised form God was in the Originals, but He also did preserve then gist of them into the Hebrew and Greek texts used today, and the MV and Kjv translations!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm glad to see this.

Now, if you are inclined to answer this question, where ( in your estimation ) has He actually kept the promise to preserve His words?
In Heaven alone, or on the earth as well?

If on the earth, then where is this contained?
In what manuscripts and in what translations ( if any ) can God's preserved words actually be found?

Not one bit.
But I have a question in response:

Are you trying to smear the beliefs of those who differ with you, by continually insinuating that they are being dishonest and are engaging in applying unjust measures to their preferences of what they believe should be the standard for God's words?
I hope not, and I'd also like to point out that if you are not, then there are better ways to make your case.

I respect that you see things differently,
and I am not interested in making innuendos, distortions and misrepresentations in order to bring your motives into question...
But I am starting to question them.

In addition, continuing to ( apparently ) paint those who hold that believers already have a standard ( and that standard, for the time being is the AV in English, or the TR or even both ), has its own set of negative detractions that I happen to believe that you may not be aware of.

Perhaps if you were to adopt a more neutral approach in your writing style,
then people like me might not get the wrong ideas.

The Kjv was NOT spoken of in the Bible period!

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you consider every word you read in the translation you use to be the word of God?

Smell ya later.

No, neither did the 1611 translators say it was in their version!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'll have to guess you do not think the translation you use is the word of God.


All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
2 Timothy 3:16

Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his LORD;
John 13:16

Refers to the original words recorded down!

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me the verse in the Holy Bible that says, "ONLY the originals are inspired", and I will not call you Mr. Baloney.

All scripture is inspired by God...
2 Timothy 3:16

They had to be recorded down by inspired authors, no translators were promised to have inspiration of the prophets and Apostles of the lord!

 

[SGO]

Refers to the original words recorded down!

No it does not refer ONLY to them and you don't have them any way.

Try offering a bible verse to back your statement.

Unless the originals are in your coat closet.

Didn't you get saved from hearing the eternal word of God?

The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8

So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

 

[Yeshua1]

No it does not refer ONLY to them and you don't have them any way.

Try offering a bible verse to back your statement.

Unless the originals are in your coat closet.

Didn't you get saved from hearing the eternal word of God?

The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8

So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

Were the Translators granted inspiration to translate into English same degree prophets and Apostles had been then?

 

[Dave G]

the Kjv can be your standard for English, but others can have Nas/Esv/Nkjv as theirs!

I never said that they couldn't.

Let me clarify it to you so there's no misunderstanding:

In my opinion,
Professing Christians are involved in a mess of epic proportions... especially since just the English-speaking ones cannot even agree on a single standard in their own language.

the inspiration promised form God was in the Originals,

I agree.
The original inspiration, or "God-breathed" part of the Bible, was performed by the Lord in many instances.
But that was long ago.

but He also did preserve then gist of them into the Hebrew and Greek texts used today,

"The gist"?
Are you telling me that we don't have God's actual words preserved for us somewhere?

That no translation can be considered to be God's actual words?

The Kjv was NOT spoken of in the Bible period!

I'm well aware of that, Dave, but thank you for pointing it out.
In fact, the "King James Version" is a translation ( albeit a very good one ), and it does represent God's word in English.

But no mention of translations, general or specific, is made in the Scriptures.

However, the question remains:
Where can I find God's word?

 

[Yeshua1]

I never said that they couldn't.

Let me clarify it to you so there's no misunderstanding:

In my opinion,
Professing Christians are involved in a mess of epic proportions... especially since just the English-speaking ones cannot even agree on a single standard in their own language.

I agree.
The original inspiration, or "God-breathed" part of the Bible, was performed by the Lord in many instances.
But that was long ago.

"The gist"?
Are you telling me that we don't have God's actual words preserved for us somewhere?

That no translation can be considered to be God's actual words?

I'm well aware of that, Dave, but thank you for pointing it out.
In fact, the "King James Version" is a translation ( albeit a very good one ), and it does represent God's word in English.

But no mention of translations, general or specific, is made in the Scriptures.

So do the Nas/Esv/Nkjv represent the English word of the Lord to us!

 

[Dave G]

So do the Nas/Esv/Nkjv represent the English word of the Lord to us!

You're not going to get me to agree that anything using the "Critical Text" is God's word in its entirety, Dave.
I'm sorry, but I stopped believing that over 20 years ago now.

However,
I will state that anything based on it does indeed contain God's words,
but to me, they are not God's word as a whole.

 

[Yeshua1]

You're not going to get me to agree that anything using the "Critical Text" is God's word in its entirety, Dave.
I'm sorry, but I stopped believing that over 20 years ago now.

I will state that anything based on it does indeed contain God's words,
but to me, they are not God's word as a whole.

Were all of the added words placed into the Kjv by the translators all the word of God?