Dave G
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Which added words would those be?
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The ones that were added or Omitted, as at times made a word appear into English not in Greek text, or omitted one that was there?
Dave G
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You'll have to be clearer than that.
Please give me specific examples.
Are you asking me if I think that 1 John 5:6-8 ( the "long version" ) is God's word?
The answer is "Yes".
Are you asking me if I think that 1 John 5:6-8 ( the short version ) is God's word?
The answer is "No".
Please keep in mind that I am not "KJV-Only"...
I am "KJV-Best" and "Textus Receptus-Only" in my beliefs about which English translation(s) and which set of collated Greek texts that I consider to be God's preserved words.
Also,
I have read from ( and will read from ) and consider other faithful translations ( in many languages ) to be God's word...
As long as their Greek is the "Textus Receptus", and their Hebrew is the "Ben Chayyim" Text.
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"Gist" is not mentioned in the bible, unless you have a verse?
Yeah! I gist got saved!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
Man shall not live by bread alone but by
every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Your name said that.
Heaven and earth shall pass away but
my words
shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
Your name said that too.
The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8
Do you think that the nas/esv/Nkjv are the English word of God to us then?
Dave G
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Not all of them, no.
Definitely not the ESV and not the NASB.
Tentatively ( and if I had nothing else at-hand ) I might consider using the NKJV...
But to me, there are too many things I do not like about it.
Let's see some bible verses to back you up or you don't need any?
Have heaven and earth passed away?
Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
So the Kjv can and does have mistakes it it, but when others have any, that makes them not the word of the Lord?
You want your bible to have mistakes?
Oh, I can live with mistakes in my English translation of not the originals.
Why?
What about His promises:
The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8
Every word of God is pure.
Proverbs 30:5
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
The word of God is quick and powerful...
Hebrews 4:12
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:6
Are these verses not true and corrupt?
Do you think that the God that works in your life every day would not keep His word?
Don't you want a bible you can trust with your whole heart?
With the attitude of so many negative to the word, I'm saying whatever translation,
not just the KJV, isn't it a wonder that we continue to believe Him at all?
Thank you Holy Spirit of Jesus.
You may not remember my saying this but I read the NIV over 35 years and was happy with it.
It was in "my" language and helped others "understand" God's working.
That did not keep me from getting caught up in sin, with the accompanying consequences.
Last year, 2020, someone suggested I try reading the KJV.
When you are getting desperate you are willing to try things you normally would not.
I tried reading the KJV and was immediately blessed.
This change of mind did not come by some wacky KJVO telling me his "evidences."
And the sin problem has greatly lessened, especially when I stay in the word.
Even today when I read it, I am enveloped in spiritual food, and I have real joy inside.
Thy words were found,
and I did eat them;
and thy word was unto me the joy
and rejoicing of mine heart:
for I am called by thy name,
O Lord God of hosts.
Jeremiah 15:16
So yes I am a proponent of the KJV, from really being helped from above and not by personal study or arm twisting.
Oh, I can live with mistakes in my English translation of not the originals.
Why?
What about His promises:
The word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 40:8
Every word of God is pure.
Proverbs 30:5
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4
Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
The word of God is quick and powerful...
Hebrews 4:12
All scripture is given by inspiration of God...
2 Timothy 3:16
Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:6
Are these verses not true and corrupt?
Do you think that the God that works in your life every day would not keep His word?
Don't you want a bible you can trust with your whole heart?
With the attitude of so many negative to the word, I'm saying whatever translation,
not just the KJV, isn't it a wonder that we continue to believe Him at all?
Thank you Holy Spirit of Jesus.
You may not remember my saying this but I read the NIV over 35 years and was happy with it.
It was in "my" language and helped others "understand" God's working.
That did not keep me from getting caught up in sin, with the accompanying consequences.
Last year, 2020, someone suggested I try reading the KJV.
When you are getting desperate you are willing to try things you normally would not.
I tried reading the KJV and was immediately blessed.
This change of mind did not come by some wacky KJVO telling me his "evidences."
And the sin problem has greatly lessened, especially when I stay in the word.
Even today when I read it, I am enveloped in spiritual food, and I have real joy inside.
Thy words were found,
and I did eat them;
and thy word was unto me the joy
and rejoicing of mine heart:
for I am called by thy name,
O Lord God of hosts.
Jeremiah 15:16
So yes I am a proponent of the KJV, from really being helped from above and not by personal study or arm twisting.
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Verses please or is your bible, almost every one in the modern Christian church says so?
Why do you so seldom use the bible to prove your arguments?
Dave G
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When a Bible translation uses what I believe to be corrupted Greek ( and Hebrew ) manuscripts as the basis for that work,
Then that disqualifies them from even being considered as the words of my Saviour.
When a Bible translation is less than faithful in its renderings from the source languages into the target languages,
and uses techniques such as paraphrasing or relies on Dynamic Equivalency over Formal Equivalency,
then that also completely disqualifies them as being the words of my Saviour.
As an example, the NLT does both...
It uses NA 27 and UBS 4 as its basis in Greek, and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia as its basis in Hebrew,
as well as relying on Dynamic Equivalency as its main translation technique;
I do not regard it as the word of God in any way, shape or form.
Neither do I regard the NIV as the word of God for the same or similar reasons.
Stated another way,
Unless a Bible translation ( in any language ) does not meet my personal criteria of:
1) being based entirely on the "Received Text" in the Greek,
2) being based on the "Ben Chayyim" in the Hebrew, and
3) using Formal Equivalency as its technique,
..then I do not consider it as being the Scriptures.
It may contain His words, but in its entirety it is not, and never will be, the word of the living God.
Those are my own private opinions,
and you are free to agree or to disagree with them as you see fit, Dave.
Also, from here on out I will do my best to limit my replies to you on this subject, as it seems to me that our disagreement over this has remained largely unchanged over the past 3 years or so.
Until you recognize that there is a problem ( and a severe one at that ),
and that God's word is being severely maltreated in the making of most modern English translations,
then to me, there's little left to discuss.
That said, this will be my last reply in this thread.
I wish you well, and may God bless you with much wisdom and knowledge as you continue in your studies,
as there is nothing more important to the believer in Jesus Christ than to take comfort in His immutable words.
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Read the Preface of a KJV Bible (most versions do not have the original), the 1611 translators did not believe that they were translations an inerrant version of Gods Word!
again, this is the internet age, this can be validated.
again, this is the internet age, this can be validated.
copy of Scripture should have the exact, same words as the source from which it was copied, and it could be tested or evaluated by its source
You obviously have no idea how translating across languages works.
I do not mean that as an unkind statement, but a true one
sometimes it takes more than 1 word to convey a meaning when translating
You obviously have no idea how translating across languages works.
I do not mean that as an unkind statement, but a true one
sometimes it takes more than 1 word to convey a meaning when translating
Jesus Christ saved my soul.
I know enough to know and experience blessing when I read the bible.
If you are so knowledgeable please show me Westcott and Hort's glorifying of the Savior.
Also, in the early Colonies, the KJV was NOT used as there was a tax on it from England and the colonists did not like taxes Just so you know. They used the Geneva! No,?which is not proven in the KJ version hahaha
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