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Does God allow Divorce Today?

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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atpollard said:
This is forgiveness from Sin for a believer:

1 John 1:5-2:14 NASB
5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. 8 On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining. 9 The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake. 13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. 14 I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.​

... to CONFESS our sins and know that JESUS is faithful to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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If a woman of ill repute becomes a Christian, and confesses her sins, can she expect on going forgiveness while she keeps her job?

How can God forgive adultery if you continue therein?
 
InTheLight

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1689Dave said:
I'm not the one making the claim, you must prove your claim from scripture that God forgives apart from repentance.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [remain unrepentant]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9) (KJV 1900)
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We can all see what you did there...



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1689Dave said:
Paul did not challenge the marriages of his pagan converts. He respected them as legal and binding.
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God did permit non saved to depart and divorced the saved partner, and if they did that, the injured party was freed to remarry in the Lord!
 
atpollard

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1689Dave said:
I'm not the one making the claim, you must prove your claim from scripture that God forgives apart from repentance.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [remain unrepentant]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9) (KJV 1900)
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That does not say that "Christ died in vain." It does not even come close to implying it.

You said:
1689Dave said:
If God forgives sin unrepented of, Christ died in vain.
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... I called on you to support your claim and you have, so far, failed to do so.

Is there no proof of any relationship between "God [forgiving] sin unrepented of" and "Christ [dying] in vain"? Is your statement false?

[As a point of exegesis on 1 John 3:9 ... "doth not commit sin" does not mean the same thing as "remain unrepentant".]
 
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atpollard said:
That does not say that "Christ died in vain." It does not even come close to implying it.

You said:

... I called on you to support your claim and you have, so far, failed to do so.

Is there no proof of any relationship between "God [forgiving] sin unrepented of" and "Christ [dying] in vain"? Is your statement false?

[As a point of exegesis on 1 John 3:9 ... "doth not commit sin" does not mean the same thing as "remain unrepentant".]
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we all will die in a state of having some sin not known or repented of!
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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atpollard said:
That does not say that "Christ died in vain." It does not even come close to implying it.

You said:

... I called on you to support your claim and you have, so far, failed to do so.

Is there no proof of any relationship between "God [forgiving] sin unrepented of" and "Christ [dying] in vain"? Is your statement false?

[As a point of exegesis on 1 John 3:9 ... "doth not commit sin" does not mean the same thing as "remain unrepentant".]
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The point is, you say Christians can continue to live in sin without repenting, and be forgiven. You cannot prove this with scripture.

I say forgiveness depends on repentance and I've proven it several times so far with scripture.
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
God did permit non saved to depart and divorced the saved partner, and if they did that, the injured party was freed to remarry in the Lord!
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Not true. Paul says death alone breaks the marriage bond. And divorce is not valid in God's sight. The Christian is not bound to submit to the unbeliever, That is, to remain unequally yoked if the unbeliever divorces her or him.
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
define "Holy lifestyle", is that without sinning?
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“I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.” (Romans 6:19) (KJV 1900)
 
atpollard

atpollard

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1689Dave said:
If a woman of ill repute becomes a Christian, and confesses her sins, can she expect on going forgiveness while she keeps her job?
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There is a sex trafficking case currently in the news. If a sex-slave gets saved, would she loose her salvation because her circumstances prevented her from leaving her "job"?
If a prostitute were to get saved, do you believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of changing the desire of her heart so she would want to do some other "job"?
To answer directly, yes ... God will forgive her while she keeps her job and God will continue to work on her heart to change it so that soon she will want to quit that job. I was saved while entangled in criminal activities and God still honored my salvation while an arsonist and a drug smuggler. "God loves us just as we are, but he loves us too much to leave us there." I can testify to the truth of that statement.

1689Dave said:
How can God forgive adultery if you continue therein?
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You have not proven that a marriage between a believer and an unbeliever is a covenant marriage with God. As I have explained Paul indicates otherwise. Until you refute that with more than opinion and fiat, there is no evidence that there is adultery.

In those cases where there is 'adultery' (per Jesus statements), there is no evidence that God cannot forgive a believer who obeys the command to confess the sin. Once forgiven, the sin of divorce and the ongoing adultery are "under the blood of Jesus" and "remembered no more" and "as far as the East is from the West". You have given no evidence from scripture that this sin is UNFORGIVABLE.
 
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1689Dave said:
Not true. Paul says death alone breaks the marriage bond. And divorce is not valid in God's sight. The Christian is not bound to submit to the unbeliever, That is, to remain unequally yoked if the unbeliever divorces her or him.
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God disagrees with you on that, as he stated to paul the left behind is free to remarry now if they so choose, just marry a Christian!
 
InTheLight

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1689Dave said:
The point is, you say Christians can continue to live in sin without repenting, and be forgiven.
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No one has said this!

I say forgiveness depends on repentance and I've proven it several times so far with scripture.
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No you haven't. You've added your own words to scripture in a pathetic attempt to "prove" your position.


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