Does God have a Mother II

[BobRyan]

Indeniable facts --

#1. NO Bible writer uses the term "Mother of God" for anyone in all of scripture.

#2. ALL Christian groups use the SAME titles for Christ and God and Mary as the Bible writers use!!

#3. NO Bible writer uses the term "Joseph teacher of God" - and for good reason. It diminshes God and exaults the "man" Joseph. It is entirely misleading and "IF used" would lead to "worship around Joseph's altars" AS IT DOES today with Mary.

#4. "Mother of God" does not distinguish between Father, Son or Holy Spirit AND it attacks the God-attribute of being eternal and without beginning without Mother, without Father (Heb 7).

It is a failed system that did results in much carnage during the reformation and dark ages.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[webdog]

It amazes me the number of people who do not believe Jesus existed as "man" prior to His earthly ministry...like Mary's birth of Him was the cause of Him being "human". If Jesus came from Mary's egg, since Mary was a sinner, Jesus would have sinner's DNA within him. Can't happen. Mary was an incubator and raised the God Man...nothing more.

 

[Eliyahu]

What Jesus Himself explains is important. In John 8:58, Jesus says, Before Abraham was, I am ( Before Past, Present Tense which tells the omnipresence). Abraham saw Jesus and was delighted.(John 8:56-58) Jesus didn't become a new Jesus. Son of God didn't become a new Son of God.
He was the same for yesterday, today and forever (Heb 13:8)
Webdog, I fully agree with you.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:


I was a little surprised to notice Ransom and Marcia are Baptists, Natters may be RC.
Do you believe the followings as well?

1. Immaculate Conception
2. Assumption
3. Mary is Mother of Church
4. Perpetual, Ever-Virgin, Life time virgin Mary
as well?

5. How is the opinion of your church and of the Pastor's on this issue Mother of God.

I thought all of you guys are RC because I don't like to check the personal profiles before debate.
It may be interesting to know such as Natters suggested to check.

In my church which is Plymouth Brethren, I have never seen anyone who calls or titles Mary as Mother of God.

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No

I would be more willing to talk to you if you did not keep falsely accusing me of goddess worship and other ridiculous things.

No one in my church runs around calling Mary the "mother of God," either, but that does not mean that the reason this term came about was false. I am not sure if you even read about why this happened, despite pages and pages of trying to explain this to you. I don't use this as a "title" for Mary; I was simply explaining how it came about and what was meant historically when it happened. But you have gone off on a rampage, accusing me of things thar are not true.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by webdog:
It amazes me the number of people who do not believe Jesus existed as "man" prior to His earthly ministry...like Mary's birth of Him was the cause of Him being "human". If Jesus came from Mary's egg, since Mary was a sinner, Jesus would have sinner's DNA within him. Can't happen. Mary was an incubator and raised the God Man...nothing more.

I am amazed that you think Jesus was a man before his birth in Bethlehem. His birth was the incarnation, when he took on the humanity of man.
Hebrews talks about how he "became" like men in order to redeem us.

Jesus did not inherit sin from Mary because sin is not in the egg or DNA. Being God, Jesus cannot "inherit" sin even in his humanity. However, we know he was tempted, tired, and hungry, and that could only happen if he had a human nature, a real human nature like all of us have.

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Marcia:

Jesus did not inherit sin from Mary because sin is not in the egg or DNA. [/QB]

RC claims that the blood shed by Jesus at the Cross was inherited from Mary, The Immaculate Virgin.

Without that Blood the Salvation of the people was absolutely impossible,which I think a ridiculous Syllogism again.


Many people do not know how much actively Yeshuah worked in OT period. He showed up hundreds times during OT and intervened in the human history. Learning about that is amazing!

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcia:

Jesus did not inherit sin from Mary because sin is not in the egg or DNA.

RC claims that the blood shed by Jesus at the Cross was inherited from Mary, The Immaculate Virgin.

Without that Blood the Salvation of the people was absolutely impossible,which I think a ridiculous Syllogism again.


Many people do not know how much actively Yeshuah worked in OT period. He showed up hundreds times during OT and intervened in the human history. Learning about that is amazing! [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I don't care what the RC claims; I'm not RC. Sin is not in the blood. Also, the baby does not have his mother's blood.

The pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus were not incarnations; that is why they are called pre-incarnate. It is not exactly clear how he appeared -- some passages only give us a hint -but we know it was not an incarnation.

 

[Eliyahu]

Problems are that the blood is produced by Bone marrows and it is said to have been inherited from Mary,and such inheritance results in the claim that The Blood was the one from Ever-Virgin Mary.

God knows the truth and we will know it clearly too.