Does God have a Mother?

[Bunyon]

"This is an affirmation of the deity of Jesus, not an elevation of Mary."------------------------------------------------------------------------

You mean the voice from heaven and the resurrection just was not enough affirmation?
Sure it is! If it were simply and affirmation, it would have come from real churchmen and not from pagan mother goddess worshipers and nascent catholic henchmen.

"Being a mother does not mean I created the child" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just because you agree to limit the word mother, does not mean everyone agrees. So why try to push a term that depends on an agreement you can't obtain???

 

[Eliyahu]

Marcia, would you interpret Heb 7:3 ?
Doesn't it say :

"Melchizedek is without mother, as Son of God is without mother, and therefore in that aspect both are similar each other" ?

Bible itself denies the concept of Mother of Son of God, right?

 

[natters]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
Mt. 22:45
If David then calls Him, Lord, how is He his Son? (descendant)?

Tell me your opinion

I am only answering this because I don't think I answered it directly yet. I am not about to jump back into a full discussion.

He is Son (descendant) because Scripture says so. Also, because if he was not David's descendant, he could not be an heir to David's throne, thus a false king, thus a false Messiah. Note that Jesus did NOT say he WASN'T David's descendant in this passage, he simply asked a question that was to point out to the Pharisees that the descendant of David was also the Lord of David. Even the Pharisees recognized that the "Christ" had to be a descendant of David, but they were not ready to accept that whoever "Christ" was, was also David's "Lord". The Pharisees could not answer him, not because Christ is not a descendant of David, but rather the opposite (that the descendant Christ was also the "Lord" of David) - which they were not willing to accept. Jesus question in this passage, if answered (which they refused to do), proves both Christ's descendancy from David as well as his Lordship over him.

Marcia,

 

[natters]

Originally posted by Marcia:
are you saying that Jesus was a divine spirit who was merely covered with flesh (enfleshed)?

That's exactly what Eliyahu is saying. In the last few pages he referred to the Word wearing flesh like clothing, and that the flesh was not divine, just a covering of the divine.

 

[Eliyahu]

Do you believe that flesh is God? then do you worship flesh?

 

[natters]

Eliyahu, if you don't know the answer to that by now, after 15 pages of explanation, what point is there in continuing?

 

[Eliyahu]

If you worship flesh as God, then You are cannibal ! (from canna-baal)

 

[natters]

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by natters:

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
[qb] the main difference appears in this:

Yes, Mary is the mother of the Word, the Mother of God, the mother of Jesus. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is not just the clothes that the Word wears. Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God in the flesh (NOT God wearing flesh). She is NOT the source of God, but rather the mother of God (the Word made flesh) in that Jesus (the Word made flesh) was conceived in her, grew in her womb, was birthed by her, and was raised by her.

This is real master piece again!

Mary is Mother of Word !

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Marcia:
Are you saying that Jesus was a divine spirit who was merely covered with flesh (enfleshed)?

I believe so! What do you think the problem with it?

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
Marcia, would you interpret Heb 7:3 ?
Doesn't it say :

"Melchizedek is without mother, as Son of God is without mother, and therefore in that aspect both are similar each other" ?

Bible itself denies the concept of Mother of Son of God, right?

Melchizedek is in the OT, before the incarnation of Christ. Yes, Christ who is eternal does not need a mother to exist. But Mary was his mother when he incarnated; she did not cause his existence.

I think you are expressing confusion about what the incarnation and nature of Christ is.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcia:
Are you saying that Jesus was a divine spirit who was merely covered with flesh (enfleshed)?

I believe so! What do you think the problem with it? </font>[/QUOTE]This is a heresy called Monophysitism:
"Monophysitism denies Jesus' human nature, saying that he had only one nature, the divine nature."

If Jesus was merely a divine being covered with flesh, then he was not fully human, and you are denying his humanity, which contradicts the teaching of the NT.

 

[Eliyahu]

Mt 22:45:

It doesn't say anything specifically, but it could mean much more complicated relationship between the Pre-incarnate spirit and the descendancy from David-Abraham. He met Abraham already. I explained you that Abraham met Son of God and provided the milk, butter, veal meat, and He ate them. That's why Jesus said Abraham was pleased to see his days in Jn 8:56-59.
In the appearance Christ looks like descendant of David, but David called Him Lord, which was pointed out by Jesus. In that passage, what Jesus mentioned is the existence at the time of David and Lordship over David, then a question about the contradictory descendancy from David to Jesus.

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Marcia:

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
This is a heresy called Monophysitism:

I never deny that Jesus is fully human and fully divine at the same time. I never heard about Monophysitism. Please don't try to trap me into the witch-hunters hand!

 

[Eliyahu]

Marcia, You never answered my question about how you interpret Heb 7:3, which denies that Son of God has Mother!

 

[Eliyahu]

Marcia, if you read thru my posting, you can find that I am not opposing to Mother of Mary, but disagree to Mother of God, because Bible disapprove it! as you can see in Heb 7:3.
I hope you believe Holy Spirit has no Mother, and God the Father has no Mother, then Heb 7:3 says even Son of God has no Mother!
This is why I oppose to Mary as Mother of God!

Now you describe, Jesus is a mere repeat mere Spirit with flesh enfleshed!
Is the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ a mere thing to you ?

 

[Eliyahu]

I want to ask you guys, whether you have the spirit of Christ in you? if so, since when?

If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his (Rome 8:9)

 

[Eliyahu]

Strange Accusation by skip-off logic!
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If Jesus was merely a divine being covered with flesh, then he was not fully human, and you are denying his humanity, which contradicts the teaching of the NT.
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Please don't say merely at random.
I never deny that Jesus is 100% divine and 100% human, if you read thru my previous posting you can confirm it.


Your way of accusation is very much similar to Inquisitors when they conducted Witch-hunting!


Read Hebrews 10:5 a body has thou prepared me.
Then said I, Lo, I come to do thy will.(verse 7)
In other words, even before any body was given, He was thinking and saying, before He wore the human flesh!

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
Marcia, You never answered my question about how you interpret Heb 7:3, which denies that Son of God has Mother!

Yes, I did answer it. It's posted above somewhere.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:

I never deny that Jesus is 100% divine and 100% human, if you read thru my previous posting you can confirm it.

..Read Hebrews 10:5 a body has thou prepared me.
Then said I, Lo, I come to do thy will.(verse 7)
In other words, even before any body was given, He was thinking and saying, before He wore the human flesh!

Yes, I realize Jesus existed before he incarnated. But incarnating does not mean that Jesus just put on flesh; it means he became human. Jesus the 2nd Person of the Trinity became man; he added a human nature. That is more than just appearing in flesh - it means he added a human nature.