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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven Yeadon, Oct 1, 2020.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    This assumes that God is unaware of any future events and has to react to those events and thus change His will. I do not see such a small god in the Bible. I would expect that only open theology proponents would follow such a god.
     
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    how do you arrive at this from this quote?
     
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  3. Steven Yeadon

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    Please explain how that follows.

    That goes against the idea God could choose possible futures before creation. Are you saying there is only one possible universe, the one we live in?
     
    #63 Steven Yeadon, Oct 6, 2020
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    we are copies of our fallen Father Adam, as dead in him, and once saved in second Adam, now born again!
     
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  5. AustinC

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    Why would God have "possible" futures? Do you not see such thinking as an attempt to lower God to human limitations?

    I am saying that God has ordained and thus shall it be. God does not waver or react to "new" circumstances.

    I reject open-theism entirely.
     
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    Enslaved to the sin nature
     
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    Our desires and what we will to do are bound up in the sin nature though
     
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    All of that comes forth out from our sin nature
     
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    All of us should reject Open Theism
     
    #69 Yeshua1, Oct 6, 2020
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    Ok, the OP assumes God's choices are iregardless of human action. That said, I will have to disagree with you here.
     
    #70 Steven Yeadon, Oct 6, 2020
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    This is the best one, as God chose it!
     
    #71 Yeshua1, Oct 6, 2020
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    God uses our choices and decisions , as He predetermine that Jesus would die on the Cross, and yet used the desires of wicked humans to have that accomplished!
     
    #72 Yeshua1, Oct 6, 2020
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    are you agreeing that all lost sinners do have the "ability" to do right and wrong?
     
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    Well if we didn't then we would have an excuse like Calvinist conveniently have. Since you believe everything is predetermined you can always say God made you do it. LOL!:D
    MB
     
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    You sound like a Calvinist there brother!
     
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    They can do what their natures allow for them to do, as have limited free will, as there are things they will not desire nor want to do!

    Per Luther, Bondage of the Will...
     
    #76 Yeshua1, Oct 6, 2020
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    You could say that if you were theologically clueless. I have never heard any proponent of Calvin say that so it seems it's a cop-out on your end.
     
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    except that I am NOT a Calvinist!!! :Laugh:Laugh:Laugh
     
    #78 SavedByGrace, Oct 6, 2020
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    Or our sin nature is bound with our desires. I think it best to simply stick with Scripture's use of "flesh" and "Spirit".

    John Piper wrote a good book, BTW, that addresses some of this. It's Desiring God (I think he has it in PDF on his website for free download).
     
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    No, but for that posting sounded like us!
     
    #80 Yeshua1, Oct 6, 2020
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